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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.

They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.

The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.

TBF, the GOP didn't hold many of those values either. They wanted to increase government control over people, lower taxes only for the rich and therefore increase the national debt, values only counted if they were christian and straight, etc. The main differences with MAGA is they say the quiet part out loud and they're more comfortable with nazis, fascists, and kings than the GOP ostensibly was.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They may not have lived by it, but they certainly were proud of it, and claimed it relentlessly. Now they don't even try to claim smaller government, or lower taxes. They know how ludicrous it would sound.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They haven't talked "fiscal responsibility" since they let Bush Jr. blew Clinton's surplus. Just dropped it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not true. Trump was constantly slamming Biden's poor economy, even though it was far better than Trump's first term. They made a big show of selling the concept that MAGAs, and specifically him, know the economy better than anyone, despite decades of history showing that the economy ALWAYS tanks under the right-wing administrations.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

ALL true, but the GOP has given up the "fiscal responsibility" angle. I knew Republicans who were fucking enraged by Bush's spending and wars. They GOP no longer pretends to be saving our treasury. Sure, they say their policies will eventually enrich us, but they've utterly given up saying they're trying to save money. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I clearly remember their scream of "fiscal responsibility!", and now they are silent.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

They haven't given up the claim when a Democrat is president. When a Dem is in the White House, all we hear about is how it is imperative to cut the deficit at any cost, including government shutdowns.

Then a MAGA takes over and we don't hear a peep as they expand some major surveillance agency like Homeland Security or ICE or the Space Force.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.

What a load of bullshit. The Republican party has never, in my lifetime (and from everything I've read, since long before that) stood for those things.

They may have said that they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

I honestly cannot believe that people still say shit like this.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Whether they lived by it or not, it was the definition of their party that they offered to the world.

The fact that they don't even try to float those concepts any more, because they know how silly they'd sound, demonstrates that they have changed.

The simple fact is that the Republican Party and the MAGA Party are now two separate entities, and should be referred to that way. And by the Dems making the unilateral choice to eject the Republicans to the dustbin of history, and force recognition of the MAGA Party, the Traditional Republicans, who think they are going to wait out MAGA, and revert to being Republicans again someday, will come to the realization that they have killed the Republican Party that they love so much.

It's long past time that the Dems matched the MAGA's psychological warfare.