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[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (10 children)

online arguments never change minds, they only serve to galvanize each persons prior beliefs

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago

Its not about changing your opponent's mind. It's about the people reading along. You aren't talking to your opponent. You're talking to the audience you share with that opponent. Never forget that.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

You're wrong and I am going to harass you until you change your mind to prove it!!

Oh, wait…

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago

False. I was deeply religious growing up but can remember the exact "debate" with an online athiest that planted the doubts and lead to my deconversion.

[–] musicjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The majority of my currently held opinions on things have been shaped and influenced by over a decade of online forums discussion boards and conversations with strangers who hold different views as mine

I usually explain the phenomenon of the internet similar to that of the printing press. It makes the smart people smarter (easier access to information) and dumb people dumber (they can’t detect misinformation and manipulation thus will trend towards the worst possible outcomes). If you are a smart person without access to higher education YouTube and Wikipedia is the greatest invention of mankind; if you are a retard then YouTube leads you to binge watching Candace Owens

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

disagree, I've changed my mind several times through online arguments. Not always a flip but often reality is not as binary as you think and opposition has some important points.

  1. This is not always true.
  2. There is a third person in this equation.
[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Most people read internet comments even if they never participate. Regardless of what they say they will be influenced by those comments. If you never have the argument your view will be represented and will die out.

i don't see it that way, my views have changed significantly because of the discussions i've had (mostly online)

[–] fum@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think this is mostly true IRL too

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People will not show you that they've been convinced, but inside something may have shifted.

[–] fum@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Probably true...

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People will not show you that they've been convinced,

And this is a major fucking problem imo.

If people would just be ok with admitting they were wrong about things, the situation wouldn't be nearly as dire

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

Keep in mind that they themselves probably don't realize things have started shifting. They just have an inkling of doubt that they need space to nurture into something more.

I speak from experience, being wrong about something and not knowing it feels exactly the same as being right about something.