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Obligatory fuck brave. What's wrong with nord exactly?
I don't know much about Nord's quality as a service, but I know that they really spearheaded the effort to spread misinformation on how Internet security works (claiming that a VPN would protect the information you enter into a website when HTTPS already does that) via YouTube ad reads. That alone is enough to make me swear off ever using them.
Urgh. I use Mullvad, it's just 5€ per month and so far works great. I hope there's nothing bad I don't know about it. lol
Mullvad complies to all legal requests!!
Which doesn't matter since they're properly setup for there to be nothing law enforcement can get out of them.
The only true and tested nolog VPN provider ever.
I thought PIA had ownership issues but had also been audited the same way?
Audits don't mean shit IMO, mullvad got raided by Swedish police and the police were allowed to see the logs and stated there's no logs on the servers.
PIA has been through that multiple times, too: https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-claims-proven-true-again-in-court-180606/
Ah nice didn't know this, good there's another battle tested VPN out there, left pia back in the days due to terrible speeds though, but I guess that's sorted after all these years
They are the only VPN company with a clean record but personally only VPN I would trust is onion, garlic etc. kind of networks.
How do you define "with a clean record"?
Also they're spending just wayyyyy too much on advertising for my taste.
Lots of VPNs are actually owned by one company, like Nordvpn and surfshark are both owned by Nord security, lemme find the list...
I'm under the impression https can be defeated by a man-in-the-middle attack if you're not paying attention. Haven't looked into it recently to be sure if that's still the case or a solved issue, though. But that was one reason to use a VPN while on untrusted wifi, supposedly.
if you are using http yes, any modern website uses https, in most cases vpn will at least prevent dns hijacking (since unecrypted dns is still the default)
No, I'm definitely talking about https. Could be this is no longer a thing tho, I need to look it up.
afaik there is some metadata leak with https unless you use ECH which most websites do not support
I think I was thinking of situations where the wifi owner redirects you to their impersonation site with their own cert, but a normal browser will pop up a big warning about that. Also if the site properly uses HSTS and you've been there on that machine before, then you're protected from being directed to a http impersonation site. A VPN will protect you from both (assuming the VPN us trustworthy), but if you're savvy you don't need it. But then the type of person who needs the kind of simplified explanation for "why VPN" that you get in ads is not savvy.
Nord is a company that spends a lot of money on ads. They pay a lot of youtubers. In general, when a company uses most of their money on ads, they tend to get as much users as possible while not spending a lot of money on quality. I don't trust those companies.
Friends of mine say it's fine. But they don't have anything else as reference. I can't say for certain, but Nord isn't the safest and most private VPN out there. Also some VPN providers log traffic, which can be confiscated with a court order. Again, I'm not sure if this is the case with Nord.
I myself use Proton, which is completely privacy based. Their company changed to become a foundation to ensure their privacy focus no matter who might be in power in the future. Their prices are fair, their services are good. They don't spend money on ads, they spend all their effort and resources into making internet a better place.
As soon as companies are sponsors for many youtubers, I don't trust them.
For instance, opera used to be an awesome browser made by a Norwegian team. They sold it to a Chinese company that provides predatory loans in poor African countries, completely destroying family's lives. They promote the shit out the browser, while it also saves your data and uses your machine to farm crypto. Evil as fuck.
While the original creators of opera started a new browser which is how they believe it should be: private, your property, full of personalization, no bullshit. It's called Vivaldi. But they don't promote it like Opera does. Because they are honest and don't want to waste resources while they can better use that for improving their product even more.
NordVPN is good for getting around geoblocks, not so much for privacy
What's wrong with Brave?
It's backed by fascist psychopath Peter Thiel and it, at least for a long time, promoted a crypto scam as a main browser feature.
First time I hear of this. What alternatives would you suggest? I have brave on my PC because it's pre-configured and comes with a Tor addon
Waterfox/Librewolf/Zen Browser for normal browsing and Tor Browser for Tor. Ungoogled Chromium if you absolutely have to use chrome.
Any idea how helium stacks up against ungoogled chrome
Additionally to the other two replies, Brave also injected referral IDs to an URI when you directly typed it in. Allegedly it was a mistake and they put it behind a toggle:
Also, per default the new tab page shows advertisements in the background. Firefox does also show ads on the new tab page in the link grid, so it's a bad thing both do and you can disable it on both. But with an almost-full-window sized ad Brave managed to make that worse still.
Is Brave Legit? | Controversies and Features explained.
Aside from the homophobia, Brave also runs an ad network. I am skeptical about their privacy claims when they profit off the data to sell ads.
Essentially nothing. People on here tend to be alarmist when it comes to it, but when you actually dig into the negative claims, they are all either vastly overblown or misconstrued.
~~So you enjoyed the crypto miner Brave put on your PC?~~
Brave doesn't have a crypto miner.
Not sure why you deleted this but I just found out Mullvad doesn't support open VPN which is a deal breaker for me because I use a few different apps via docker with their traffic routed through https://hub.docker.com/r/qmcgaw/gluetun
Also, maybe a deal breaker for some is they don't do port forwarding any more (well, for a long time now).
Someone else already talked about mulvad. But you can use wireguard with gluetun, but the configuration is a little annoying as you need to download the configuration file and grab the key from inside the file.
Thanks. Will keep that in mind. I've spent too much on VPNs recently but when I near subscription lapse(s) I will strongly consider Mullvad.
From what I saw on others VPNs it's not the cheapest but it's also not the most expensive but mulvad puts those money to use for the community for both privacy and security, check their blog for more
Gotcha. I made the mistake of signing up for years on a meh VPN because it was cheap. Then after some issues I started a trial of Nord. It was better so I wish hadn't subscribed to the other one for so long, since I probably wasted at least $100 on that fiasco.
I use Mullvad with Gluetun, works fine? I am currently using docker compose and container network mode for routing traffic through it
Ah that's good to know. I think it may offer support via wire guard or something.
It does yes.
Gluetun works with wireguard configs.
lol Brave respect from ML
best browser in the world right now
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