It also says he's looking for some one to hire him and train him. College courses are a good place to start and show your interested and committed to a field.

[+] Mpatch@lemmy.world -7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is a blatant lie for the sake of convenience. I on the regular am working 60-80 hrs weeks and so do my coworkers because we can't find enough skilled trades. And the companies that hire us can't find enough contractors. Go get your creddit card out spend 5k on a small gas welder, spend another $300 on a few boxes of welding rod. Spend a week fucking around and sticking scrap together. That, welder will be paid of in 6months. Don't want to weld. Okay go download the eaton hydraulics catalog. Learn about fittings, hoses how to mesure and identify.It's free online. Find your local hydraulics supplier, parker/eaton/danfoss/amazon/princess auto. Go spend like $500 on wrenches and some sockets. See a piece of heavy equipment. At a job site, drop your name and number at some point, they are going burst a hose/ rip off a fitting, need to install an attachment, fuck up a pump.

From an employers standpoint, if you aren't willing to even invest anything into yourself to make your own life better, why the hell should I. If I see a some one who is atleast trying to learn and invest energy and effort into building a better life, (not just submit the same resume over and over that they wrote 3 years ago) damn straight I'm going to help them get there.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For the low low price of 10k and 6 months of free time you too can get a job!

[+] Mpatch@lemmy.world -7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Case and point. Not willing to do better for your self why the fuck would anyone else try to help you get further. It actualy blew my mind when I first started how many helping hands magically appeared as if from thin air when they saw me trying to get ahead and busting my ass off. The trades might be full of assholes. But most of those assholes won't let you drown.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How do you think an average person has 10k and 6 months of living expenses just laying about. People who need jobs aren't sitting on cash buying avocado toast.

There is a difference between not willing and not able.

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It simple work a few more hours in a week, fuck your Friday night plans because your working. Fuck your plans on Saturday and Sunday and all the other hours of the week, fuck watching that new series on because your working. And when you get ahead. You sure can do what you like. It's not impossible, yall just been defeated before you left gate.

Also 10k is way too much. Find something used for 1/4 of that price.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

THIS WAS ADVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A JOB!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING??? I FEEL LIKE ICE TAKEN CRAZY PILLS!!!

The solution to not finding a job is easy, just find a job that supports you with 40 hours, but also pays you for unlimited overtime so you can do this crazy become a welder diy scheme I came up with.

Wow it's so easy! I also realised you can cure depression by just not being so damn sad anymore!

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lool if you don't even have a fuckin job bud there's even less of an excuse to not bust your ass off. In whatever the hell it is, you would end up in. It doesn't have to be welding. It could be anything

Hell get some rat traps, go door to door in a city, and sell god damn rat removal, you set and remove the rats. Go pluck weeds. Go learn carpentry and wood work for fucks sake home depot offers the DIY seminars. Yeah it's basics but it's a start. Google and YouTube how to use a paint roller. A bucket of plaster costs $20 and a putty knife like 2$ at a dollar store. Practice until you can make it so you no sanding is needed after. If you got no job then what the fuck are you doing orher then bitching about not having a job and blaming everyone around you as to why.

Don't know bout you but I've been dealing with depression for a damn long time to know what's what.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Just get down to the plastering shop and give the manager a firm handshake, that's always gotten me a job! Ass busting and firm handshakes is my policy!

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why am I responding to this AI crap.

All that would get you is a minimum wage job which you could get anyway without spending all that money.

Without a trade certificate you are a labourer.

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Lol this guy. Ai crap. Another one to blame and bitch about how you won't get better if you try. Look at you giving up already. Boo hoo just a labourer. Yeah a labourer with a fucking job. And there's alot of labourer jobs out there that pay damn well.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

skilled trades

The trade needs skill, and the number of people who show up, experience a day, and ghost because the job requires manual work is pretty high and return to driving for Amazon and complaining about it.

Theres a lot of shitty employers too, but there’s a large number of people who just want to collect a cheque in exchange for dropping off packages.

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

People are scared to even try to work hard these days. Worst yet, they don't and never will know what they are capable of, what amazing shit they can do with their hands. I always say, if a dumb fuck like me can do it. There's no way you can't.

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately not true. Maybe not in the next let's say decade, but there are companies currently producing robots that can do HVAC work for example, but the larger risk is remote control robotics to employ someone from a far cheaper country. This has started taking over medical already and will come for other fields before the AI risk will.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Robots have been just about ready to make me unemployed for decades now.
Yeah sure they pretend that's what's happening to developers right now, but we all know the truth.

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago

They do seem rather eager to screw us over by any means necessary as soon as they can. Damn the repercussions and economic fallout it would bring. That's tomorrow's, and someone else's problem.

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the trades ARE booming, with demand across all of them, and you're worried about robots 10 years out?

pick a trade you like and you will find employment

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes generally I think about long term viability to a field. I plan to still be here in 10 years. Although I added that statement to be less alarmist. Those robots exist today. Go ahead and enjoy the competition of everyone flowing into trades though. Will be the same disaster facing college graduates today in less than 4 years.

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

so...you admit there are jobs, but worry it will be bad in 4 years?

either you are being intentionally negative, or unintentionally negative about the trades - regardless, this conversation is done

cheers

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm not sure he knows much about the trades. Trades are lead by licensed/ ticketed workers. Repairs and solutions must follow codes. Lot more to it than most people think. Robots can do tasks like welding or repetitive tasks but they can't trouble shoot nor do they make sense for one time projects.

AI robots would require a lot of detailed accurate information and aren't able to look at abstract physical objects like Date from Star Trek.

I work maintenance in a factory.

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago

I will admit I do not work in trades so I won't pretend to, but I am aware of licensure and unions. To this you are correct they are a great strength and benefit to these fields and jobs that have really helped these individuals retain their jobs and skills. With robotics and AI specifically no they cannot replace these individuals currently; however, there has been a push to deregulate which would not overnight ruin these careers but it will encroach. We can see an example of this in Texas where they removed the requirement of bar exam for legal jobs, and we have seen more of a push to use non traditional means in this position. So while I agree these jobs have some current protection it may be only temporary if these are the same people who are willing to trash other career fields over automation. We do have a bit of a gray area though around the remote form of robotics that are controlled by a human possibly even one with licensure.

I have however work in robotics. Most robots are exactly as you say in a factory and not really that capable, but this is very rapidly changing as we create robots more and more capable of general tasks and dexterity. The robots that I have seen designed specifically for HVAC jobs are not particularly great yet compared to their human counterparts are very skilled at the few things they can currently do and I'm not talking about like ones in a factory I'm talking about ones deployed on a home call to work on someone's air-conditioning system. These are the ones that I am concerned about, and for those that aren't you will be. It very well could be long in the future but companies are taking steps to do this as soon as they can and it spreads so far beyond just trade jobs.

The current state of AI as LLMs is pretty low risk as far as I am concerned for any skilled worker. Won't change any time soon either, but we know why they are doing this. Our corporations have exposed their true end motives. They full and well would rid themselves of every employee if they could. None of us know what the future is going to look like, but thinking it's not going to spread beyond software or unskilled work is not going to end well. What starts as the incapable robot in a factory iteration after iteration is suddenly capable. We now have the tech to make these a reality where even half a decade before we did not. The only hurdle is the legal side of things to which we see movement to dismantle even if only a little at a time. Most people seem concerned about full on automation/AI but that's not the near term threat. It's remote physical labor. Again look at the medical field and 7/11 using robots to restock their shelves. Neither of those are AI, but are taking jobs from the US annually. One at a time step by step headcounts are reduced. This won't be a sudden torrent, but a trickle.

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

apprentices start working immediately, led by licensed/ticketed journeymen

your language and approach to this make me think you are not having this conversation in good faith, and are in fact attempting to sow confusion and uncertainty about how easy it is to join a trade and how significant the demand is

fin

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fully agree here. They were not in good faith, and made a lot of assumptions with little articulation. Their argument works well for a single individual in a vacuum but you apply that to everyone with job loss and it falls apart. Thank you for your statement.

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the trades are free to join and you get paid immediately

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago

You can keep saying this misleading statement to me all you want, but it does not change reality.

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree that there are jobs and have been jobs for trade and non trade jobs yes. In terms of numbers Ai has not taken jobs from anyone, but rather has been used as reason for layoffs as it sounds better than financial woes in these organizations. This is also supported by research/data. The current number of jobs is also consistent with what they were pre COVID inflation.

Again yes I am concerned about what is coming because I am a forward thinking person. I make plans because hopping fields is expensive to do. I am not sure why this is such a surprise for you? I am not sure how I was being negative about the trades at all. I'm just saying it's not a silver bullet to the upcoming career crisis if we are to believe AI is actually a threat. What may be a concern for some fields now it's only going to either broaden directly because of that same threat or because of oversaturation as those who were once in their own careers no longer can and look for work elsewhere that had not yet had the rug pulled out from under them. You can chose to ignore that I am saying and that's fine, but sticking your head in the sand doesn't stop this from approaching.

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the trades are free and you get paid immediately

god luck

[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Licensure is not free at least here in the US nor are the materials to acquire it. The cost is not just getting into the job though, you have to consider the cost of leaving a job that could have been better paying that maybe no longer exists. Someone with a family that just is not a real option. Now apply this "just go into a trade" logic to everyone who has lost their jobs or wants to have something better than they currently do and you'll run out of trade jobs very fast. Same problem as today but different lens. Then what?