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Thank you, this was eye opening for me. For some reason in my philosophy classes Aristotle's popularity was somewhat contextualized but Socrates and Plato's views were taken at face value, as if their anti democratic views are different than today's just because someone expressed them thousands of years ago.
Also makes me wonder if the framing of Socrates as the "every man's philosopher" in opposition to the establishment philosophers who only cared about philosophy for their job is similarly biased
Erastophanes "The clouds" is a play mocking Socrates, and it portrayed him as a complete grifter and connman. although if we consider that Socrates was the only honest one in a corrupt system, then said critique isn't a critique but evidence that "grifters" didn't like him and where perhaps projecting. But I do think his staunch antidemocratic views are red flags that shouldn't be brushed under the rug, especially since he didn't have any remorse about the coup in his trial.
But if we had someone today, calling all mainstream education a scam and supporting antidemocratic dictators... nevermind we do have those today. Some are even failed boxers like Plato was.
My biggest red flag is that during school, and highschool, and practically every philosophy video/essay about Socrates, the consequences of his antidemocratic rethoric is/was never even mentioned.
Every highschooler will quote "I only know I only noting" or "Plato's cave" but no one has even heard of the 30 tyrants.