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[–] becausechemistry@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (57 children)

I struggle to understand how the collapse of the United States would do anything but make life worse for literally everyone on the planet for decades if not longer.

You want to make things better? Change the system from within slowly. You want to accidentally make things much much worse? Burn a system down and watch what emerges be horrible beyond what you could imagine.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Why would it automatically be "horrible beyond what you could imagine"? I have watched the US murder thousands of people through illegal wars, poison the entire planet, and now for years the US has supported an open genocide in Gaza, not to mention previous genocidal regimes propped up by the US.

The things I have seen are already literally more horrible than I could have imagined. I wouldn't imagine they would send a Tomahawk missile into a crowded elementary school, and especially wouldn't imagine they would hit it two more times, ensuring nearly every young girl in a small town was killed. I wouldn't have imagined these things years ago except maybe from a country like Nazi Germany. But I've seen it, and there is ample evidence, and we know that there is more that they do in the shadows that we might never know. Tell me why we shouldn't stop it as quickly as possible? What would you say to the parents of these children? People have been pushing for change slowly and steadily for the entire history of the US and we are still a bloodthirsty, heartless monster, imprisoning more people than have ever been held in history.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I have watcheed the US murder thousands of people through illegal wars

Millions.Take Vietnam and the completely illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos alone, and you're already at millions.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck it, throw Korea in there and we're at tens of millions.

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