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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Interesting how they're unacceptable for cars but the norm for trains and they don't even have seatbelts

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trains don’t take 90° turns, nor have other trains hit them at 90° angles.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Over an 8 year period there were 49 90 degree rail accidents with trucks at crossings in Australia

[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

... with trucks... that weigh hundreds of HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds less than a train (literally just the locomotive weighs 400 THOUSAND pounds/200 short tons, even a land train in australia has a maximum weight of 164 short tons). It's like saying "why don't bicycles have seatbelts when cars are required to". The car seatbelts are for collisions with other things at speed. A bike/car collision at 90 degrees is much more worrisome for the bike than the car.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are 25 rail passenger casualties for every 100 collisions with a heavy vehicle at a crossing, of which there are 14609 collisions with trucks in the US database over a ten year period to 2021

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah you’re gonna need to start quoting your sources.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice, you conveniently left out "25 rail passenger or staff" in your claim there. Meaning the person at the very front of the train, that gets smushed with the truck. Even with that, the level of fatalities is 45x lower than road fatalities. All you've done here is prove my point.

                | Total collisions | Rail fatalities | Rail injuries | Road fatalities | Road injuries
Heavy vehicles  | 4,886            | 5               | 1,230         | 228             | 1,143
Light vehicles  | 14,609           | 6               | 504           | 1,542           | 5,249

And fun little quote from your paper:

Fatalities to rail occupants were extremely rare, with 7 collisions (out of 19,495) resulting in 11 rail fatalities. There were 5 separate collisions involving heavy vehicles which each caused one rail fatality, whereas one collision involving a light vehicle resulted in 5 fatalities 20 (another collision with a light vehicle resulted in one fatality).

So 7 collisions out of 19,495 resulted in fatalities. A rate of .03% fatality rate... without seatbelts.

Yeah, I'm gonna reiterate it. All you've done is prove my point.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have some major ego problems

[–] tyler@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice retort. Please come back with some evidence that supports your argument. You are the one claiming that trains need seatbelts.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 0 points 1 day ago

  1. it's about bench seats

  2. I made no such claim, I don't even have a position, you're arguing against yourself