Also AFAICT there’s no common denominator as to who in the Jewish community denounces zionism or supports it. Maybe I’m just not intrenched enough to hear the consensus pushback that I’m sure exists on the tabernacle level; and I do refrain from demanding an answer from Jewish people cuz I think that’s wrong. But its a 50/50 for who is willing to denounce zionism and who seems to have bought into the propaganda.

AFAIK there's a lot of diaspora Jews who are deeply against Israel right now, but they tend to lack the institutional organization and infrastructure of the hardcore zionists. Quite frankly I think the best thing we can do is make sure to offer to elevate the voices of dissent and help them build a platform for Anti-zionist Jews. Conflating opposition to Israel's genocides with antisemitism is itself blood libel and the best way to push back on that narrative is to make it clear we stand with those Jews who oppose all forms of genocide, including those wrought by Jewish hands.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

To be clear I'm not suggesting 50% of jews support Zionism. I would be surprised and horrified if that were the case.

In my experience Jews are like Catholics. Unless they're visibly catholic is really hard to determine where they fall on any individual issue.

I think about the South Park scene where they ask Mrs. Broslowski about her views on Gaza to win a prediction market bet, but then end up offending her. One of the best B-plots in the show honestly.

So I have not bothered to ask because in general I only associate with people who have basic empathy anyways so I'd be reaching pretty far outside my circles to learn anything new.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Based on my limited experience, because I have kind of discussed it with my Jewish friends, the people most strongly for this kind of violence tend to self-select into actually moving to Israel, hence the people in Israel, tend to support the genocide. Outside, you tend to have a mix of elites who back Israel, and more middle/working class Jews who are horrified, but don't have the social capital or NGOs to make their voices heard. It's a bit of a broad brush generalization, but as a general trend.

It always comes back to socio-economic class.