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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I'm not sure that's been extensively tested in courts. The document you referenced below appears to be as-yet not officially published, so I don't believe it actually qualifies as an official position yet, but the bigger issue is that it's untested in court.

This thread is a response to an AI court case where the ruling was that training on copy written works is fair use.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/us-judge-approves-15-billion-anthropic-copyright-settlement-with-authors-2025-09-25/

Alsup ruled in June that Anthropic made fair use of the authors' work to train Claude, but found that the company violated their rights by saving more than 7 million pirated books to a "central library" that would not necessarily be used for that purpose

Regardless, you do make good points and I think we agree that the end state is "they shouldn't be able to do that". I have concerns that using existing standards that take copying too literally results in some unintended ambiguity, and situations where AI training is incidentally blocked, but so is stuff like "opening a news article on a computer", which does the same things the copyright office report highlights as infringement.
I think we'd be in a much more agreeable place if we just legally state that a commercial AI tools training isn't fair use. That lets you have nuance like "search engine? It's a statistical model, but not generative: allowed. AI agent? Statistical model that's generating content as opposed to classification or ranking: not allowed".

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 12 hours ago

I think we’d be in a much more agreeable place if we just legally state that a commercial AI tools training isn’t fair use.

Good luck getting any federal law changes through before 2028, at best. So, for at least a couple of years, we get to use the existing laws to address generative "AI"'s use of works still under copyright protection.

Any change in status before then we be policy changes by the U.S. Copyright Office, but they have already come down against training (mostly; the publications are long because there's a lot of nuance).

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 12 hours ago

Alsup ruled in June that Anthropic made fair use of the authors’ work to train

But, Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, Inc. (Judge Chhabria, June 25, 2025) states that “in most cases,” training LLMs on copyrighted works without permission is likely infringing and not fair use and "this ruling does not stand for the proposition that [...] use of copyrighted materials to train its language models is lawful."

The courts are divided, but the copyright office is not.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The document you referenced below appears to be as-yet not officially published

Parts 1 and 2 are officially published.

On May 9, 2025, the Office released a pre-publication version of Part 3 [...] A final version of Part 3 will be published in the future, without any substantive changes expected in the analysis or conclusions.