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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 103 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 15 hours ago

It's not that hard once you understand the difference. It's more like getting a feel for it than following an actual rule, but a good starting point is that が indicates the subject of a clause, whereas は indicates the topic a sentence is in reference to, which can often also be the subject of the primary clause, which is why they get confused.

For instance, 私が疲れた (watashi ga tsukareta) would mean "I am tired" literally, but it would sound awkward, because the more usual way to phrase this would be closer to "as for me, tired" or 私は疲れた (watashi wa tsukareta).

It's not a perfect rule, and there isn't a perfect way to directly translate it because English (and most European languages) don't have a comparable grammar structure. But generally if you're speaking in reference to yourself or another person, the correct particle is usually "wa", but not always. It just takes practice to get a feel for the exceptions.

And often enough "wa" is used instead of "ga" for objects and places, but it's easier to get a feel for the difference. For instance, さっぽろが寒い (Sapporo ga samui) and さっぽろは寒い (Sapporo wa samui) are both correct, but have slightly different meanings, although the English translations of both would sound the same, "Sapporo is cold".

The difference is that with "ga," it's more like an isolated statement of fact. On the other hand, with "wa" it's usually being contrasted with something, often implicit and unstated, carrying nuance like "as opposed to where we are" or "as opposed to the rest of Japan" or "as opposed to our other options for a travel destination", but what exactly it's being contrasted with is usually clear from the context of the conversation.

At the end of the day, "ga" is usually cut and dry: it marks the subject of a sentence the same way "wo", "ni", "he", "de", etc., mark other grammatical cases (direct/indirect objects, prepositional phrases, etc.).

"Ha" is the only one you need to watch out for with its very distinctive Japanese-ness. Although Korean has a very similar construct.

Simple as.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I prefer dealing with complicated but ultimately rule-based stuff like は/が over the utter nonsense that is grammatical gender (and I'm German).

Edit: and because I see heated discussion about it elsewhere: grammatical gender is a very convenient thing to have (not to learn) and I wouldn't abolish it (just wouldn't want to learn it).

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

What’s convenient about it? I genuinely see no benefits, as a native speaker of a gendered language.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Take this example:

"Bob took his hat out of the bag and dropped it." What did he drop?

"Bob nahm seinen Hut aus der Tasche und ließ sie fallen." "Bob took his male hat out of the female bag and dropped her." Ah, he dropped the bag!

There's better examples, I'm sure, but having gendered pronouns makes references clearer than everything just being "it". It's a way to structure sentences that may not be vital to understanding (because obviously there are languages that work perfectly fine without it) but makes it easier. Like capitalising nouns or clear rules for where to put commas can make reading easier.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

That only works if they have different genders. Which is often not the case in most gendered languages.

“Bob sacó su manzana de la caja y la dejó caer.”

Bob took his female apple out of his female box and let it (female) fall

Also from my experience growing and going to school in a gender language (not Spanish btw), grammar classes are way more intense and thorough than for something like English. Most people don’t really have grammar classes in English speaking countries, while I studied it until the last year of high school…

More complex grammar certainly makes it more difficult to learn, even for native speakers.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that doesn't negate the fact that genderedness serves a purpose. It's not simply there to annoy language learners.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Of course. But I don’t think that’s the “purpose” of it. It’s good to remember that languages don’t have anything purposeful about them at all. Any characteristic in a language has use, but no purpose.

Like living beings languages evolve, and mutate, and useful traits stay behind and spread and less useful ones are forgotten.

Gender might sometimes be useful in those situations, but I would be skeptical it’s the main reason it appeared and kept being used.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, nice, danke.

But I honestly don't think the effort/price is worth it. You can make unambiguous references if required.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's the thing, it's only an effort if you're actively learning the language. Natives think about the gender of nouns only in certain, rare edge-cases that are ill-defined, like loanwords or "artificial" words (Nutella is gender-fluid). It would make more sense to just define those edge-cases than to try to get rid of gendered nouns.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Also wenn ich mich umsehe wie falsch das heute genutzt wird habe ich dich ernste Zweifel am Nutzen gerade wenn es auf Englisch so einfach ohne geht 😁

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Mir wäre nicht bewusst, dass Probleme mit der Wahl des richtigen grammatischem Geschlechts unter Muttersprachlys grassieren. Woran machst du das fest?

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Ein Teil mag neue Jugendsprache sein, ein anderer normaler Sprachwandel. Mir ist aufgefallen dass über die Dekaden korrektes Deutsch immer unwichtiger wurde. Einfach nur Beobachtung. Ich selbst bin dabei selbst kein Überkorrekter Nutzer 😂.

Also ja, ist nur mein Eindruck.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 3 points 1 day ago

Gwa.

(There are whole books written about the usages, but this is far from the worst thing to get wrong if you're new to Japanese so don't worry).