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[–] harcesz@szmer.info 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Where did they work, and did they live in Moscow? Some regions or particular stores by key plants were much better supplied, but honestly I'm not sure if you could find one family in USSR that would claim stores were well supplied in the 80s.
Also I come from one of the satellite state. Food was taken out from the country, while there were protests over look of food in the stores. Kinda hard to claim it did not happen. There were rail carts welded to tracks to by workers trying to stop it...

And yeah, Russia was an absolutne shitshow both before and after, no question about it. I'm just addressing oversimplified vision of what money meant in state capitalism.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 minutes ago

Where did they work, and did they live in Moscow?

Not in Moscow. Not in any administrative centers.

but honestly I’m not sure if you could find one family in USSR that would claim stores were well supplied in the 80s.

"Well-supplied" compared to what? Would you say that stores in most of the capitalist world were well-supplied?

Also I come from one of the satellite state. Food was taken out from the country, while there were protests over look of food in the stores. Kinda hard to claim it did not happen.

Movement of food between the republics doesn't seem to be hard to believe, but also does not seem to be malicious.

I’m just addressing oversimplified vision of what money meant in state capitalism.

It's rather silly to call planned economy "state capitalism". For most of its existence, there wasn't even the capitalist class - i.e. a class of people that owned the means of production as private property and used other people's labour to extract profit from said means of production.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Ignoring the fact that this conversation has been steered towards an explicitly liberal/market economics/consumerist framing...

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 66% of Armenians thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful

In a 2016 survey, 69% of Azerbaijanis believed life was better under the USSR.

In a 2016 survey, it increased to 53% of Belarusians saying life was better under the USSR

Another Pew survey, also in 2017, showed that 43% of Georgians thought the dissolution was a good thing, compared to 42% who thought it was a bad thing.

In a 2016 survey, around 60% of Kazakhs above the age of 35 believed life was better under the USSR.

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 61% of Kyrgyz thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 16% who thought it was beneficial.

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 42% of Moldovans thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 26% who thought it was beneficial.[7] Regret about dissolution later increased to 70% according to a 2017 Pew survey, with only 18% saying the dissolution was a good thing.

Levada polling since the mid-1990s on the preferred political and economic system of Russians also shows nostalgia for the Soviet Union, with the most recent polling in 2021 showing 49% preferring the Soviet political system, compared to 18% preferring the current system, and 16% preferring Western democracy, as well as 62% saying they preferred a system of economic planning compared to 24% preferring a market capitalist economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union