Carney was brought in to strengthen our economy, and he's doing just that. Would I prefer it to be done without increasing pollution? Of course. But that's just not how this works.

I think we in Canada all need to decide here. Do we want as many full bellies as possible until climate change destroys us, or do we forego full bellies in hopes climate change is delayed by 7% (our contribution to global fossil fuel extraction). Tough choices.

[–] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Carney was brought in to strengthen our economy

You say this as if everyone agreed to it. It really seems more likely to me that carney was voted in because he wasn't trump aligned.

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We don't avoid a recession, we embrace it. People don't need money. They need food and housing. I have money, I don't have enough food and housing.

Let the economy crash into the ground, as long as I can have food and housing. And yes, we can still have food and housing in a recession. And yes, we can in fact have more than we have now. I understand somebody is already mad at me, ready to say it doesn't work that way, but a recession absolutely would lower the price if housing which is what the majority of many Canadians income.

And I will say it right now: I don't care at all if right ritch people lose money. I don't care at all.

[–] Darkonion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think we should learn the lesson that covid taught us is possible. Shut everything down, shelter in place, guarantee food and housing (as you say), medical care, and education, but everything that is not absolutely essential can go to hell.

Like covid, the difficulty is getting enough other countries to go with the same plan to make it work. I don't think austerity for Canada would fix the world if the neighbours aren't doing it too.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I think we should learn the lesson that covid taught us is possible. Shut everything down, shelter in place, guarantee food and housing (as you say), medical care, and education, but everything that is not absolutely essential can go to hell.

WTF are you talking about? Lockdown worked for 10 days before everyone declared themselves essential. Tim hortons never locked down -shitty coffee is essential?

Then we had an attempt at insurrection in Ottawa.

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

You get it! I'm not saying it would be painless, but we don't need most of the stuff we think we do. We don't need phones or cars or airplanes or diamond rings. We need food and housing. Even in a recession we have more than enough "money" for that.

I don't care about rich people things. Shelter and food. Anything else is a luxury.

[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you understand what forcing a recession entails, and I haven't heard of any plan. You can instead use the economy to bully those you're angry at. If you have money, invest only in things you believe in and starve the rest. Poison those companies you hate for others too.

While we don't exactly need money, we will always need some kind of metric for trustworthiness, and that'll become the problem when money is gone. We need to incentivize people to work towards our social goals, or not even farmers would feed more than their families. We need money for now, but redistributed would certainly be better.

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah there it is! Yes, I know you don't think it works that way. That's ok!

I'll say it again- money isn't real, we don't need it, I don't care about capitalism or rich people. I really dont. If they all just.. went away.. I wouldn't care. I hope they do ;)

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let the economy crash into the ground, as long as I can have food and housing.

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You don't get it. That's ok!

I'll say it again:

I don't care about rich people. A huge GDP isn't required to have food and housing.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

It's not one or the other and we have to stop falling into this black and white, one or the other thinking. It's reductionist at best and ignorant at worst.