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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 16 points 18 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

A big problem is that people need smartphones for so much of modern life. You can stop watching Disney and your life won’t meaningfully change but it’s really hard to avoid evil smartphone companies. Part of me wants to switch from Apple but what would I go to? Samsung who’s just as bad about right to repair? Google who’s Google? I’m not saying it’s impossible but I’m not going to say that the choice is as easy as cancelling a streaming service.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

A big problem is that people need smartphones for so much of modern life.

Do you though? They're convenient, for sure, but you can also use a dumbphone and a laptop.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yea, just gunna carry my laptop around with me everywhere. And that’s not even talking about all the nonsense on laptops that most people can’t deal with.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

Keyword: convenient

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

How the fuck would I access my bank then? All banks literally require their apps to access the account or sometimes even open the account, nevermind actually pay for anything or get a debit or credit card.

>Inb4 some American downvotes because they forget the rest of the world exists

We get it, Americans use cash in America, and they use magnetic stripe cards and cheques and all these other technologies that were phased out in rest of the world before I was even born, but that's not really an argument to make on a global platform.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

All banks literally require

In your part of the world...

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

In most of the world that isn't 1 country that starts with 'United States' and ends with 'of America'

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Fairphone. Right to repair, plus good custom ROM and linux on mobile support.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

Useless without passing Google's Integrity checks.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip -1 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah this is generally the take I hear the most. The smartphone is presented as a necessity and for a lot of people that may be true, but what it really is is a tool for capitalism. It spies on you, gives you fomo, serves you ads, gives access to all kinds of addictive content... oh and work apps!

It's like AI, shoved down our throats until people think it's needed. It's not.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah except I do actually need one for work, paying rent, paying bills etc. It's a helluva position of privilege to be able to say no to something like that, and that's coming from someone who doesn't have a car, which is far less necessary.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago

You can't do those things any other way, eh? That's crazy...

It's a privilege to say no, eh? Interesting take.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 17 hours ago

Your smartphone serves you ads?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I would say you’re missing some nuance in these arguments, though.

With a phone people no longer need laptops or full-sized computers and they also get a phone and camera to go along with it. They get a lot of power even just using fairly mundane apps like email, file storage, and a calendar. And then you have access to the internet and all the power that comes with that. I also don’t know why you think phones show ads.

AI, on the other hand, is hot fucking garbage at everything it does. Why anyone uses it I can’t say, it’s so bad and it’s known that it’s actively making people dumber. I don’t touch the stuff and my life has been going just fine.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

they would have been perfectly fine it was simply that the optics were bad enough to warrant a response

[–] jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Why do they care about the optics? $$$

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Do you really think this situation is comparable in any way to Jimmy Kimmel? I really don't. Even if it were, nowhere near that many Apple customers care whether or not the app that targets fascist militias is on the app store or not.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I do think it's comparable. All of this is about money. Americans are funding all of this crap with the, albeit controlled, choices we make with our money. Our taxes are funding genocides and coups and war and destruction; our purchasing habits are funding the decline of our planet and our social structures and our sanity.

You're right though, consumers will likely never change in large enough quantities to make a real difference. People are already resubbing to Hulu so...

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

Americans are funding all of this crap with the, albeit controlled, choices we make with our money.

To an extent, yes, but the dollar has been decoupled from gold a long time ago, they can literally just print money in the billions and they do (although there days it's probably money++ on a mainframe), completely sidestepping tax money..

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Jimmy Kimmel made Disney a lot of money. They had to choose between pressure from the US government, and losing a popular source of revenue along with the vast amount of liberals who swore them off. Jimmy Kimmel was not a real institutional threat to the US government. So the US government did not have a very strong incentive to continuously push for him being taken down, and Disney had a lot of incentive to keep him around.

An app that targets fascists makes Apple no money. The US government faces the loss (or rendering ineffective) of their fascist police force. Both sides therefore face a huge amount of pressure to have the app taken down. It would have to be a gigantic part of their profit margin to warrant any pushback from Apple. I'd be very, very surprised to hear that this change is ever overturned through a boycott.