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On Sunday, Fox News reported, “Calls to repeal women’s rights to vote are emerging from the online firestorm over the Lindsay Clancy trial, prompting Republican women to warn that the intraparty rhetoric could hurt the GOP.”

The fact that this article was published by Fox News was itself noteworthy. Press Baron Rupert Murdoch is one of the few remaining centers of power on the right who is strong enough to pick fights with Trump and his MAGA supporters. In recent years, Murdoch’s outlets have carved out a position for themselves as gatekeepers who work to protect the GOP brand from the most self-destructive impulses of MAGA. One recent example of this phenomenon is the decision to fire (or at least take off the air) the firebrand election denier Maria Bartiromo.

The Fox article was also significant for highlighting how the tragic case of Lindsay Clancy is being exploited by the hard right to justify misogyny. Clancy killed three of her children in 2023. Her legal defense was that she suffered from postpartum psychosis and bipolar disorder. Eleven jurors voted to acquit Clancy based on this argument, but one juror resisted, leading to a mistrial.

Nine of the jurors who voted to acquit—presumably because they thought Clancy deserved pity rather than harsh punishment—were women; the lone holdout was a man. The hard right has seized on these facts to justify arguments that women are incapable of reason. The Fox article quoted a post on X that made a common argument: “The female jurors in the Lindsay Clancy trial are speaking out about their deliberations and disagreements with the sole male holdout. The more they speak the better they make the case for repealing the 19th Amendment.”

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[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow, nuance!

These are the people driving the buzz. Just random people, with really only a subset of people agreeing with either.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ya! Nuance!

You're taking evidence of a fringe movement and presenting it as evidence of a widespread Republican Party movement. Those are two very different claims.

Yes, there are fringe activists currently calling for repeal of the 19th Amendment, and one of them apparently showed up outside the Lindsay Clancy courthouse with a "Repeal the 19th" sign. That establishes that these people exist. It does not establish that this is a widespread movement within the Republican Party, much less that the Republican Party is pursuing repeal as a political objective. Current reporting actually describes the people pushing this as fringe activists.

There's also a rather enormous constitutional hurdle you're overlooking. The 19th Amendment cannot simply be repealed through ordinary legislation, executive action, or a presidential order. Under Article V, repealing it would require another constitutional amendment. That means either two-thirds of both chambers of Congress must propose one, or two-thirds of the states must call a convention to propose one. Then three-fourths of the states, currently 38, would have to ratify it.

So I'm not claiming nobody has ever suggested repealing the 19th Amendment. They clearly have. I'm saying that extrapolating from a handful of fringe activists and an isolated courthouse protest to "the Republican Party wants to repeal women's right to vote" is not supported by the evidence. If you have evidence of an organized Republican campaign, Republican Party platform, congressional proposal, or state-level movement actually pursuing repeal, that's a substantially different claim and I'd be interested in seeing it.

And now, for the not so nice part.

You are doing the exact thing I am arguing against: presenting out-of-context pictures as though they somehow validate a conclusion you had already reached. You aren't examining the evidence and then reaching a conclusion; you're working backward from the conclusion and selectively presenting whatever you think supports it. This kind of reasoning, and the way people manipulate information to fit an existing narrative, is precisely the sort of behavior that contributes to the political environment we are living in today.

And this isn't some new phenomenon. There have been people throughout human history who were absolutely convinced they knew better than everyone else while demonstrating very little ability to distinguish evidence from confirmation bias. You don't become intellectually or morally superior simply because you've found a group of people you consider stupid. If anything, you're demonstrating the exact same intellectual weakness from the opposite direction.

People are allowed to be idiots. That doesn't make their idiocy representative of an entire political movement, and it certainly doesn't make selectively presenting their behavior as evidence of a broader movement intellectually honest. If your argument depends on taking the most extreme people you can find and pretending they represent everyone else, then the problem isn't the people you're pointing at. It's the methodology you're using to make your point.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Found the philosopher and/or student of the scientific method. I appreciate your comment.

[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not validating these positions by sharing the images. My point is that a lot of "news" is just this:

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Well in that case I completely agree with you.