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Cool opinion bro.
And you'll certainly make sure that you stay that way, I'm sure. That's kinda the point of my above comment.
Anytime you engage in discussion without leaving open the possibility that your position could be wrong, that's propaganda, and is intentionally not engaging in good faith.
I think i'd be more apt to consider your opinion if you were less aggressive and had posited a single argument. Dismissing something with a hand wave isn't exactly a convincing argument. I'm open to hearing how you believe modern factory farming and meat consumption is ethical in your framework
edit: I even posted the ways I would find eating meat ethical -- I don't really understand the anger and hostility
I never said that I believed that. My original comment was only intended to call out OP's bullshit purity tests and the negative outcomes that will result as people grow discouraged and give up from having someone belittle what is very clearly an intentional effort to be better.
We're all doing the best we can.
I would hope most people are, but the reality is that we consume staggeringly more meat than ever before, by an order of magnitude. It is possible and even less expensive to consume a vegetarian diet, given you are blessed to live outside a food desert. I hold no judgement for folks existing in a terrible system and worrying about things other than animal welfare. This is a result of systems beyond the average person's control, and more than likely, knowledge.
To say that we're doing the best we can is untrue in a vacuum. Perhaps education on the topic of animal agriculture would enable people to make choices that are kinder to animals, earth, and themselves.
I have no interest in consuming a vegetarian diet - my only ethical problem is with factory farming specifically, and on that front I'm doing the best that I can considering all of the far more important problems currently facing society.
I personally feel that convenience and personal taste is less important than the suffering of billions of animals. Your personal taste has a small impact on the total suffering, of course, but the sum of meat eaters taken together creates the demand that necessitates factory farming.
If you voluntarily consume meat given the means of accessing the alternatives, then I say the choice is not ethical. How you or anyone else personally weighs that choice against other concerns is up to you. I'm posting this from a phone more than likely made by children working untenable hours. When I discard it, it'll likely pollute a poor country. I know we have to pick our battles, so again, no judgement. I do like to discuss these things though! :)
I don't believe that meat consumption has to involve (much) animal suffering, and I'm in favor of taking steps toward that goal.
Hopefully lab-grown meat will take off soon and the whole argument will be a moot point.
Thanks for the conversation. :)
I too want lab grown meat! Anyway ditto - cheers