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[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see it as a two part problem. One, the current party setup one party ratchets us towards fascism, the other obstructs attempts to go back for "bi-partianship." Secondly, I hear most swing voters consider themselves moderates and from experience along with other's inspection of them, they're only concerned about order until it affects them. In thusly they're essentially just a brand of conservatism. Sounds a lot like the typical liberal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Secondly, I hear most swing voters consider themselves moderates

There's a joke about the average suburban Wine Mom voting for Pete Buttigieg every two years, while having political opinions consistent with Mao's Little Red Book. "Moderate" is such a moving target, precisely because its hedged in by who is actually running. I'm sure if you sample the NYC voting pool, you'll find people who voted for Rudy Giuliani in the '90s, Michael Bloomberg in the '00s/'10s, and Zohran Mamdani in '25, without much cognitive struggle. Hell, there's no shortage of Obama/Trump swing voters.

In thusly they’re essentially just a brand of conservatism. Sounds a lot like the typical liberal.

Most people don't care about politics until it affects them. And the art of political discourse is largely trying to get your audience to sympathize with your position by convincing them they are going to benefit from your policies / suffer from your opponents'.

So much of the modern capitalist system is predicated on people believing that they benefit from playing along and contributing their labor/intellect for a share of the spoils. And so much of the socialist system is predicated on people believing their neighbors have their backs in a real material way, so they should reciprocate in kind.

Move a liberal from a system that rewards subservience to a system that rewards solidarity and they're happy enough to change.