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Tell me you're a Nazi without saying you're a Nazi.
Let's see which boxes I check
likes any right wing figure at all - no
is left wing - yes
likes twitter - no
thinks genocide would solve stuff - no
wants to give tax breaks to billionaires - no
thinks random offtopic mentions of all twitter users being bootlickers are destructive - yes
thinks it's also useless virtue signaling and just a giant circlejerk - yes
obvious nazi
All I can read is "thinks it's pointless to remind people that Twitter is a Nazi bar"
You can think it's destructive all you want, but Twitter IS destructive, and the bootlickers who still frequent it are contributing to the destruction of our culture by fucking Nazis.
Yet you're virtue signalling in the opposite direction, effectively tacitly defending Twitter and it's Nazi owner.
Pardon me if I shit on anyone with your opinion, because the last thing we need is a pro-twitter circle jerk. There are already enough Nazis in the Internet, we don't need to accidentally pill more people because we want to cry about shit in the Internet.
I never liked this stupid idea. If anti-Nazis start to hang out at a bar, does it become an anti-Nazi bar? What about both Nazis & anti-Nazis: who wins? It seems you privilege the presence of Nazis in deciding the kind of bar it is with no chance of anyone else showing up to decide the kind of bar they make it with their mere presence. You privilege Nazis.
I don't see anyone applying this logic to the wider web where we have Nazi sites: no one calls the web a Nazi bar. Or the world for that matter. Is your language a Nazi bar since some Nazis speak it? Yet some people can regularly use x.com without ever running into Nazis just like the web or the world. Nazi bar is classic bad company fallacy.
The most pernicious effect of this fallacy is it just surrenders entire platforms to Nazis & pretends retreating to ideological bubbles is morally virtuous. By immaturely prioritizing comforting & unchallenging environments of social validation & self-righteousness maintained by silencing opposition over environments of unfettered public discourse that challenge us to develop intellectual depth & skill to actually debate serious disagreements, we erode critical thought, limit self-reflection & growth, and allow radicalization to propagate unchecked by exposure to deradicalizing influences & more intelligent perspectives. We promote backslides into repressive extremism by being cowardly ninnies unwilling to counter words with reason & public opinion. Have some conviction to stand up for your morality where it matters.
What is being communicated is that being a nazi is so inherently abhorrant that its unsafe to express support for nazism in decent places. A nazi may exist in such places but they do so quietly because they risk at minimum getting tossed out.
Places where its ok to be a nazi loudly end up attracting more because such places are rare and thus attract a disproportionate number of such folks.
These folks make decent folks not want to come. Now you have a Nazi bar.
From a broader social standpoint, people adjudge ideas I'm part based on how acceptable they seem to be by their peers.
Seeing nornal communication alongside nazism reenforces the perceived normalcy of these abhorrent ideas.
It's not a nazi bar because there is the occasional nazi in it. It's a nazi bar because it's led by a nazi, applies nazi standards and moderation, and therefore attracts nazis.
That owner is 1 person. This Nazi bar argument does nothing for the multitude of people left behind in an increasingly right-wing bubble because the "morally righteous" are too stuck-up or cowardly to make a stand with rational debate & deradicalizing influence where it's needed.
If Nazi standards & moderation means less policing of hate speech, we don't get that in the public square, either, yet the public is quite capable of denouncing & arguing against it there. Actual Nazis in Nazi regalia have marched & spoken there. Is the public square a Nazi bar? Moderation simply isn't needed for better voices to prevail.
Moreover, there are plenty of anti-Nazis there who stay to defend morality. Much like the rest of the world, there is also much going on there that isn't Nazi-related. Nazi bar is just a rationalization for cowards to surrender & seek comfort, because when the immoral aren't silenced, they aren't willing to seriously challenge immorality where it matters.
The 'stupid idea' that people don't want to be around Nazis? 🤔
Muh both sides.
Do I really have to explain to you why Nazis coming into a bar is different than anti-nazis coming into a bar to normal people? If so, I'll have to go break out the big box of Crayola for you.
As to the rest, I've played this game before, and it's not worth my time to argue with Nazis directly, especially when the platform is moderating against normal people. I'd rather see the platform user count fall and it fail vs giving them money and traffic. There are plenty of other social media sites out there, stop propping up the shitty ones.
Arguing is easy when you ignore everything you're responding to.
Already answered with
Maybe you need to stop speaking a Nazi bar language, abandon the Nazi bar web, or leave the Nazi bar world. Everything is tainted. This is just bad company fallacy mentioned before.
You do that: it seems you need to sate your hunger for crayons. Explain what you're doing on the web or in the world.
Musk is a hundred billionaire with fuck you money. He bought the platform at a loss while it was only making losses. It's probably still making losses. I doubt it's making any money. Using it while blocking ads (which I've never seen) might increase losses.
Nazis, anti-Nazis, & anyone else have as much right to claim a space as anything they like. Calling some communication system a Nazi bar as soon as Nazis aren't silenced is just a subjective judgement. Others are on there, and it's as much their bar, too. It's a bar.
All you're defending is acting morally superior by judging the people who don't cower off as going to a "Nazi bar" when really you're not morally superior at all: you're giving up by failing to stand by your convictions & letting the extremists increasingly sway public discourse on a popular platform. It's a load of shit.
Only the stupid parts of arguments, sorry
'some people don't see it so it's not a big bit deal' is a fucking moronic argument, barely worth responding to.
Much like this. Everything you mentioned is actually meaningful or useful. Twitter isn't. Your argument is literally the Reductio ad absurdum fallacy.
People don't like Nazis, people who support/defend Nazis, or platforms where Nazis are protected and promoted.
The same moronic argument as before.
And your argument is to support his failing platform.
Promoted by the platform is the same as not silencing them, clearly.
No, I'm looking down on you for defending your use of a failing platform that's gone wildly against normal people and their craziness is only being propped up by inertia and you're doing everything you can do to cover for your choice.
Or I'm choosing not promote a far right site bought by a billionaire with the express purpose of using the existing user base to spread far right propaganda, limit the ability of people to see the shit people post unless they make an account, and generally upset the applecart.
But you're definitely soooooooooo much better because you choose to hang on the Nazi site willingly and twist yourself up in a pretzel to justify your choice.
I'm amused at how upset you are about my choice in words though, I'm sure you'll come up with some other idiotic reason why your choice to support a Nazi billionaire who brought out MechaHitler in response to 'woke' AI is the real moral choice.
Don't care one way or the other, I'm not bothering with you any longer. 🤡🤡🤡
This is actually a pretty good arguement. As for me virtue signaling I didn't notice that, but even if that is true on some level, I don't really think it's hypocritical to remind people not to tell other people what to do, despite that being telling someone what to do.
Also some more refined thoughts about what I meant: I get that twitter is a cesspool, but everyone at least here knows that. I just thought that was a really weird topic to bring up on this post out of the blue. Yes everyone knows it's run by the Nazi Man. It's not very constructive to fixate on that in a community where everyone is already of that opinion, because it turns the conversation into a circlejerk. Yes obviously people will upvote someone calling twitter a collection of Nazi bootlickers on Lemmy and I'm tired of that. Because it is virtue signaling is what it is and everyone who upvotes it is also taking part in that and feeling good about it for some weird reason. It's not something people should do, because that's not the constructive part of criticizing Twitter or Elon, it's just the echo chamber part of it where nothing of importance happens, instead people who are part of it will spend their time with reinforcing eachother's already pretty well reinforced ideas.
Lemmy loves a comforting circle jerk socially validating their self-righteousness. They also like rhetoric reminding us to punch Nazis, even though we know most of us are limp-wristed keyboard warriors just giving our justice boners sweet stimulation.
What is it about people disliking nazis that upsets you?
Is a fucking Nazi - check
Throwing around the term nazi misdirectedly devalues the term/accusation/identifier Nazi and therefore helps actual nazis in need of being called out. Words have power and meaning.
This is gonna surprise you, but Nazis were a really large group full of lots of different people with different values and ideals. What unified them was their support and defense of the Nazi party.
You have spent every comment in this thread defending Nazis.
These are just simple facts.
I posted a single comment in this thread