Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
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What I've learned is that Reddit.world allows for rule breaking as long as you're punching left, but if you're the one being beat on and you defend yourself you'll be banned for wrongthink.
I saw a comment the other day saying that an .ml called them a nazi and then that same .ml replied with a picture of the comment they had made dehumanising Russians.
Both comments got removed.
Meanwhile, Rule #2 for this community seemingly doesn't exist.
I had the exact opposite experience in .ml for slightly criticizing communism and got site-banned by an admin right after the lynching. I've been criticizing the right in .world for two and a half years without a problem. Not a single comment taken down or a single ban for it. I don't know where .mls who criticize .world get that from, but judging by the awful and overwhelmingly terrible attitudes I see from .mls I can see why they're often complaining.
You haven't had a problem because your politics align with .world - it's a good match. You're allowed criticism within a set of safe boundaries that do not challenge power. If you start talking about not voting for Democrats, though, they get a lot more hostile.
Not really? My politics align with the ones in my country. Our right wingers are essentially Democrats, and I didn't vote for those. I also support criticism of the Democrats for being spineless and complicit, for example.
What I've noticed, though, is that the "challenging of power" as it often manifests is misrepresenting things like their role of Democrats in the Palestinian genocide. They're usually in the form of uncompromising shrieks, calling everyone in the vicinity a Nazi.
Democrats have a really important role in supporting the Palestinian genocide, what are you even talking about?
Do you think Biden was actually working tirelessly for a ceasefire? Come on. It's a bipartisan project!
No, that's exactly where things break down, because I'm not saying any of those things but some people here, especially .mls, always bring it up as if it's some new thought.
I'm saying they are complicit, but they are not the ones firing the guns. They are enablers. I'm not lifting any blame because they have blood on their hands, but I also don't like exaggerating.
And what's more, it's that a lot of these same people somehow blame Biden frequently and incessantly, even though Trump's administration is doing exactly the same.
Would you say the same thing about Republicans and Trump? They're not the ones firing the guns either.
Absolutely. I don't understand this trend of overstating or exaggerating. There's no need when they've done enough as it is.
Same goes for other things, like lying about the harms of meat when advocating for vegetarianism. There's plenty to point out without the need to lie.
Fascinating. You realize no one thinks this way, right? There's a reason for that.
If you facilitate the murder weapon and then protect the murderer from consequences so they can keep killing, you are just as guilty of murder as if you held the gun yourself. That's how felony murder charges work. If there's a shootout during a robbery and someone dies, the getaway driver still gets a murder charge despite not holding one of the guns. Where's the exaggeration?
Calm down, I'm only sharing my ideas.
I think this way, and I think it's valid. I don't need to base my thinking on the US legal system when I don't even live there. Why does it always circle back to you guys? Why should I base anything on a corrupt country's laws or any laws at all? Shouldn't that be the other way around?
If I give a gun to someone and they kill someone knowing their intent beforehand, I'm guilty by association. Why is that not enough? Because you feel the need to satisfy some legal criteria to severely punish the people you dislike? I find thar a bit weird rather than stating what really happened. Let the courts handle the legal stuff. I don't care what that is as long as a fair trial and punishment is observed.
Calm down? I have no idea what you mean.
I gave the example of felony murder to show that this isn't just some exaggerated, non-standard way to judge crimes. It's not just a US thing, it comes from common law. There's similar law in Australia and Canada as well, and though it's no longer practiced officially in the UK there's the concept of "joint enterprise" whereby being involved in a murder still imputes criminal liability with similar legal outcomes.
It's not a world-wide way to conceive of crime, but it's pretty normal. Hardly an exaggeration.
Besides, is it so unreasonable to apply legal standards from the US to Parties within the US?
Because if you didn't give them a gun, they wouldn't have been able to kill as many people.
If the number of people they can kill on their own is X, and the number of people they can kill with your help is X+1, then you killed that +1 even if you didn't pull the trigger. They only died because you helped, which means you killed them
If you knowingly help plan and facilitate a murder by your actions, you are a murderer. This is how most people view murder.
You're the odd one out. I just think you should know that.
That's leaning into ridicule, sarcasm, and accusations, imo. We don't need that, and I don't appreciate it because that's not the way I'm addressing you. Some of you get too comfortable too quickly.
But it is the way it's presented and often used here on Lemmy. I'm not even talking about the grand scheme of things with that line. I'm focusing on the way I've seen some commenters express themselves, which is a real trend. It often devolves into absurd calls for withholding votes because "why would you vote for the party of genocide?" as if only Dems were responsible, childish name-calling, and accusing others of Nazism when there's disagreement. It's absurd.
For me, a foreigner who knows the basics about your laws and whose goal is to be descriptive rather than prescriptive, it is. By your logic, if we were to speak about perceived criminals in Israel, but their laws don't state they're criminals, should we abandon the idea because we have to abide by their rules when speaking about their people? Why should USian/German/Canadian laws take precedence over anybody's laws? I don't think that's the right way to approach it from my POV as an outsider.
I'm not here to argue the actual thing because I've done it many times, and it always ends on a sour note. This is how many people like to instigate arguments so they can grind their axe, and I don't want to entertain that.
My points are limited. People here are disingenuous and ridiculous when it comes to certain hot topics, and it's getting so old.
This conversation started with you calling people like me "uncompromising shrieks" and it has continued with you calling people like me "absurd" and "childish." But, when I push back, it's all "we don't need that" and "I don't appreciate it".
If you can beat up on me but I have to be nice back, I don't really see the point of this conversation. Very .world behavior.
Wait, what? Do you shriek at people and call them Nazis when you don't like what they're saying despite you full knowing that they're not? It's weird to admit to unreasonable behavior. I'm honestly a little baffled that someone would own and admit that, or take issue at someone speaking broadly and then use that as a reason to speak down at anyone.
I call people fascists when they support genocide, and I am not willing to compromise on it.
Oh look at that, you're talking down to me again. It's fine when you do it, though. It's only a problem when I respond.
So you do, and the shoe fit.
Not really, I chose my words carefully, but I realize you're trying to start a fight. We're done here.
This thread picked a fight with me, the OP is literally calling me evil.
Then you continued the fight, with "uncompromising shrieks” and “absurd” and “childish.”
Then I fight back and you cry about me picking fights.
Talking to you is self harm. Blocked.
Sounds like you're taking things too personally, probably for feeling called out.
Im pretty sure its the exact opposite.
Cope
Why did you even leave Reddit?
Mostly to get away from the liberals, rightists, bots, trolls and capitalists losers.
So while the tankies and the terminally online purity test leftists are shitty, it's at least not as bad as all the bullshit on Reddit and they are a small minority.
Same.
Now, explain why a "tankie" isn't merely a leftist that failed one of your purity test.
I mean, you can view it that way if you like, but I feel like if you're being an actually reasonable person, you can acknowledge there is a big difference between a purity test that about some politicians policy on benefits for homeless people not being enough, and a purity test of not assassinating political opponents or just straight up being an authoritarian.
So is this the "LA LA LA" you yell while plugging your ears to the actual tests 'tankies' apply to politicians usually having to do with imperialism and genocide?
I mean I expected this when I decided to engage with a .ml but still, it's like you're reading a completely different comment from the one I wrote.
So against my better judgement I will try to engage you in good faith for a bit longer:
I specified tankies and purity test leftists as different entities for a reason. Tankies do often make good points about western imperialism, the problem (and what makes them tankies) is there blind support for anyone and anything that opposes western imperialism, no matter how bad they are, which is usually support for russian/Chinese imperialism/authoritarian regimes.
Then the purity testers are the ones who will just pointlessly infight about semantics in theory. Like for a real life example, I got purity tested earlier this year for saying I think there's a difference between systemic racism and an individual act of racism, and anyone can be the victim of an individual act of racism. And apparently that makes me as bad as the KKK.
So in summary I'm happy to talk to you guys about the how bad the effects of western imperialism is and how we to actively fight against it, so long as you don't claim Russia and China are the good guys, in spite of all the evil shit they do, simply because they are a force that isn't western.
This is incorrect, though. Marxists do not have blind support for China, Russia, etc, we disagree with the mainstream western appraisals of these countries. Further, support for Russia is strategic, support for China is because they are an actual socialist country.
If you say we make good points on western imperialism, then you should know that we take a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism, and that this is why our analysis is sound. We don't have a vibes-based approach to imperialism, which is why we don't agree to your accusations of, say, Chinese imperialism.
I think it would be a great idea for you to actually give what we say a listen, rather than selectively agreeing with us on what you already believe.
I was just going to say, I’ve been on Lemmy for like 6 months and I’ve literally never seen a .ml user blindly support China or Russia.
On the other hand, I’ve seen tons of non-.ml users blindly hate those countries.
Because communism is a fringe position in the west, it takes a lot of study to come to communism in English-speaking communities, as a generalization.
This sentence here invalidates anything else you might say. If you "strategically" support the imperialist, authoritarian capitalist power just because they are in opposition to a different imperialist capitalist power, then it's not actually about oppossing imperialism or capitalism is it? You're just being a contrarian.
Same with China, it's not a socialist country is it? The workers don't have actually power, the party does and the workers can't chose the party, china still has it's Uber rich capitalist class that profit off the back of the workers. In fact it's more of a capitalist hellhole than many western nations, but again tankies will ignore all that and blindly support then because of Pure contrarianisn to US bullshit.
So you guys are just raging hypocrites that will support whatever bullshit, no matter how bad as long it's vaguely anti-american/anti-western. So you're as opposed to ACTUAL progress as even the most diehard neo-con, the only difference being how smug and holier than thou you lot are about and the fact that you really should know better.
Russia is not imperialist. It has a paltry amount of finance capital, has no colonies nor neo-colonies, and does not have a place in the world imperialist system. As a consequence, the global south aligns itself with Russia and China when throwing off the shackles of imperialism. This is why I say we Marxists have a scientific approach to analyzing imperialism that isn't based on vibes, yet you reduce it back to vibes to discredit me. Nothing I said invalidates my views and analysis, you're declaring that it does to refuse engaging with it.
This is also why it's important to study theory and the existing conditions in China, rather than resort to vibes. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, the working class governs the state through the CPC, and unlike the imperialist nations that you're referring to here, China doesn't super-exploit the global south but instead has contributed dramatically to the further development of global south countries by undermining imperialism and unequal exchange. I'm not a contrarion, I've studied both Marxist-Leninist theory and the PRC's system to come to the conclusions I have, while you give the appearance of having done neither.
This is what I mean by liberals refusing to listen to Marxists, and instead plugging their ears when we explain our views and substituting them with irrational, emotion-driven responses. Again, you should actually study socialism and socialist countries, rather than reflexively plug your ears and cover your eyes upon hearing Marxist analysis.
So, what's the non-authoritarian alternative that you support? Because Democrats, Labour, etc are all pro-surveillance, pro-incarceration, pro-war, and pro-genocide. But when I point this out I'm doing purity tests! Isn't that funny? I think it's funny. Not like ha-ha funny, but like, there's an absurdity to the fact that my criticisms are purity testing but yours are "reasonable."