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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

CNBC is over the top insulting zionazis this morning. "The west needs US to control Greenland for its security". When there is no pushback on the pure lie that China and Russia are about to invade the furthest place on earth to them, with the most expensive resource extraction, then there can be no pushback on invading any country, ally or not, because, while most countries have China as biggest trading partner, it is always a threat for them to move from number 2 to number 1.

The US is about to collapse. In Canada's case the strongest basis for refusal to be a US territory (Statehood not actually on table) is the US's huge debt burden. But quality of life healthcare/education system corruption, as Bernie points out, would make any states willing to become a Canadian province much better off. One path to US collapse is States escaping federal debt through secession and "irreconsilable differences" on fascism and Zionazi first rule warmongering.

But when colonies don't push back on the main lie behind US wars (Venezuela had CIA lies about election fairness and legitimacy of governance. Iran propaganda is calling Mossad rioting terrorists peaceful protestors), the the colonies are just gaslighting their people in a "stages of grief" bribery delay tactic towards acceptance of a more perfectly subservient colony.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

furthest place on earth to them, with the most expensive resource extraction

Really the valuable thing is controlling the shipping lanes between Pacific and Atlantic countries, then playing kingmaker about who can trade with who.

Which is why any talk about any of this from anybody is just a pretense. :/

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

really the valuable thing is controlling the shipping lanes between Pacific and Atlantic countries

The only reason Chinese or Russian ships would need to go anywhere near Greenland is to deliver to north east North America, which would by definition be welcome travel. Arctic route between Asia and Europe goes through Russian waters. Closer and friendlier to China, and Chinese ships dominate world, and can pick up goods from rest of Asia.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Right, they don't need it for themselves. USA and any other power would use it for a convenient bit of force projection, preventing 3rd parties from consolidating power outside of their block. So, say Venezuela wanted to ship stuff to the Philippines. Around South America is dangerous, Panama can be expensive, but arctic is more and more open and quick, so theoretically these example countries could find some mutually profitable stuff to bring back and forth to each other.

US can get a tax or otherwise frustrate any deals if they control that shipping lane. The Alaska/Russia choke point is contested and I'm not sure who has better control on that area.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

US has seized control of Panama canal this year too. The ice to the north of Greenland has never been clear (yet). A path through Canadian waters opens up for 1 month or so per year. Russia coast clears out more often, and for about 2 months. Venezuela to Asia definitely wants to use Panama canal next door. It's just slightly longer through cape horn than Canada passage.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 minutes ago

Yeah global warming.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

We really should drop almost all trade/travel boarders between Canada/United States/Europe/Australia and New Zealand. Have one large economic zone. The US and England are the stumbling blocks to this.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

pass on open trade/borders with US, their lack of regulation and standards on food means most of what they produce is garbage and/or potentially contaminated. Not to mention simply flooding the markets with their crap. When Mulroney negotiated NAFTA, it crushed so many industries in Canada, and we're really only starting to attempt to recover from that.. Maybe the only good thing Trump has done is to galvanize us to make better trade agreements with other countries and not rely on free trade with the US.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry but we in Europe don't want chicken raised up in filth so that it must be chlorinated and even then still has much higher levels of salmonela, beef with hormones affecting the growth of young people (and making the meat shit) or chemicals allowed into public use under the principle of "it can be sold until proven bad" rather than the principle "it has to be proven not bad before it can be sold".

In other words, we're fine with our higher life expectancy and better health outcomes and don't want to suffer the consequences of shit American-style "regulation".

Dropping European trade borders would be horrible, especially with America: stuff isn't more expensive to produce in Europe because Europeans are shit at growing/making them, they're more expensive to produce here because we actually have consumer protection standards which have costs to be obbeyed rather than the Free For All of America (and to a lesser extent of most other Anglo-Saxon countries) were pretty much everything goes for maximum profits for corporates even at the cost of fucking everybody else.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This is the problem with creating a meaningful trading zone right now ... trying to get the U.S. to meaningful participate and move forward.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago

UK is an extra special Mi6 corrupt theocracy, but Biden's US proxy war on Russia was a war on Europe and nordstream. Essentially strengthening the colonial status of an isolated Europe. This paved the way for Trump to extort them harder with tariffs as first round, and liberating Greenland from NATO is purely for direct missile/airstrike potential on Europe.

Sure, one path to western sustainability is free trade/travel among partners. But from US perspective, collapsing the colonies for extortion power and GDP boosts is an attractive delay tactic for next election cycle, when all colonial governors political capital is from CIA/US election determination, and will support US rule over them harder.

Avoiding confronting US empire lies directly is done to sell CIA narrative to the colonial indirect slaves. The west's problem is that democracy itself, and its supposed values, is a lie. It's only a colonial empire meant to extract tribute from the colonies.