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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what i meant by that is: people used to hate internet explorer because it was the worst. even though it changed completely, people still hate it because of it’s history.

That's precisely my point though. People are not talking about the product, they're talking about the company/history. Not only was the original Edge very much "not Internet Explorer", but nowadays Edge is running on Chromium, making the whole comparison to IE even stupider. But people still do, because "Microsoft Bad".

people think linux is hard because of it’s history of requiring the terminal for basic functions.

People think Linux is hard because it still requires terminal for basic functions. Source: a guy who moved to Linux full-time over a year ago.

people don’t want stuff shoved down their throats without consent, which seems to be what microsoft is really good at doing

I get that, but what's the relation of that to what I was talking about? I'm talking about comparing the capabilities of various LLMs where people will swear on their mothers that Copilot is the worst shite they ever saw, not realising that it's essentially the same as ChatGPT.

Source: ran LLM testing and implementation in two different companies.

that’s the same issue with edge, since whenever you uninstall it (which has to be done through unconventional means), it’ll just reappear the next time the system updates.

Yeah, that's not the case for years now.

[–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's precisely my point though. People are not talking about the product, they're talking about the company/history. Not only was the original Edge very much "not Internet Explorer", but nowadays Edge is running on Chromium, making the whole comparison to IE even stupider. But people still do, because "Microsoft Bad".

yeah. idk where you keep seeing this "microsoft bad" thing. people don't like it because of its history. people still mostly use chrome because they learned it was faster than firefox, and now that they're equal in speed, people still think of firefox as slower. not wanting a company's product doesn't have to mean they hate the company.

People think Linux is hard because it still requires terminal for basic functions. Source: a guy who moved to Linux full-time over a year ago.

if you don't use one of the distros that come preinstalled with a bunch of ui apps that do stuff that used to require a terminal, sure.

I get that, but what's the relation of that to what I was talking about? I'm talking about comparing the capabilities of various LLMs where people will swear on their mothers that Copilot is the worst shite they ever saw, not realising that it's essentially the same as ChatGPT.

if you get orange juice shoved down your throat, you probably won't like it, even if you generally like orange juice.

Yeah, that's not the case for years now.

oh well, it is true that i haven't used windows for years now.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

yeah. idk where you keep seeing this “microsoft bad” thing

*points at this thread*

I also gave you a bunch of examples already. Just visit r/Windows or r/Windows11 and you'll get an eye full.

if you don’t use one of the distros that come preinstalled with a bunch of ui apps that do stuff that used to require a terminal, sure.

That's just completely wrong. You can't set a secondary drive to auto-mount on boot without CLI, fixing a failing BT device connection requires CLI, if an AppImage fails to launch due to AppArmor, you need the CLI to fix it, can't prevent the OS from switching a BT headset to the "hands free" mode without CLI, etc., etc., etc.

EDIT: some distros maybe allow changing this stuff through the GUI - I went through three, all with KDE, so maybe that's why I needed CLI, but that's also kind of the point - unless you really spend time to learn about the particular distribution, you never know what you're going to get. Which, to the new users who will not want to spend time to doctorise themselves on the subject, means that it's an added difficulty layer.

if you get orange juice shoved down your throat, you probably won’t like it, even if you generally like orange juice.

If you're talking about the nutritional value of different juices, you wouldn't say "orange juice is shit, has zero nutritional value" just because you don't lie it, would you?

[–] festnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 35 minutes ago

I also gave you a bunch of examples already. Just visit r/Windows or r/Windows11 and you'll get an eye full.

ok yeah. microsoft being bad is a reason not to use their stuff

That's just completely wrong. You can't set a secondary drive to auto-mount on boot without CLI, fixing a failing BT device connection requires CLI, if an AppImage fails to launch due to AppArmor, you need the CLI to fix it, can't prevent the OS from switching a BT headset to the "hands free" mode without CLI, etc., etc., etc.

EDIT: some distros maybe allow changing this stuff through the GUI - I went through three, all with KDE, so maybe that's why I needed CLI, but that's also kind of the point - unless you really spend time to learn about the particular distribution, you never know what you're going to get. Which, to the new users who will not want to spend time to doctorise themselves on the subject, means that it's an added difficulty layer.

yeah i never ran into any of those issues, and i kinda doubt any unexperienced user would do any of that. except for the bluetooth thing, since i know a lot of people use bluetooth (though i honestly didn't even understand what that issue was)

If you're talking about the nutritional value of different juices, you wouldn't say "orange juice is shit, has zero nutritional value" just because you don't lie it, would you?

i'm talking about the choice to drink it or not, but whatever. is there a reason to ever use copilot over chatgpt? i don't use either