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I am sorry but if people still think the Palestinian conflict is the end-all and be-all of where the state of the world goes, much less, where America goes. Then they're no better than the single-minded voters that helped the Republicans win twice.
There will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be conflict going on over the Middle-East with everyone there. It is NEVER-ENDING. We've wasted nearly 20 years dicking around with Afghanistan and Iraq. All for what? So the Taliban can take over territory in less than a week after all that effort? What a waste!
What we needed to do and should have done was hold Israel accountable and not fund them anymore. If to them, makes us look anti semitic, then so what? They're the aggressors, they're the ones being tyrannical bastards right now and if they can't see that then it's their problem they need to sort out or don't. Whatever floats their little boat.
But also, we have so much shit to fix here that it'll be a bit until we get there. We've already squandered telling Israel to stop their shit.
"There is always war in the Middle East [until America is destroyed]."
Fixed that for you, Liberal.
Bullshit, if we wanted the Palestinian Genocide to stop we could make Israel stop with a single phonecall.
It ultimately doesn't matter. Regardless of the outcome of the election, things weren't going to change in the short term. It wasn't an issue that was relevant to the election because of this.
At least there was a small chance that Harris was toeing the AIPAC line to get last minute campaign funding, then would change her stance back to what it was when she was VP.
I didn't follow her campaign remarks on the genocide super closely, but what I did see from her was always a political non-answer.
It is voters that decide what is relevant, not the politicians.
Then the voters are stupid. There was no realistic option in the 2024 election that was guaranteed good for Palestine. Period.
By abstaining from voting, you said that you were fine with two+ genocides instead of one.
You don't always get perfect choices for political candidates, but in this instance one choice was orders of magnitude worse than the other. And now instead of getting 4 years to try to push progressivism, we get an untold amount of time fighting against trump and his handlers.
No, this is not how it works and the Democratic party will not win until it stops with this condescending voters shit.
If politicians refuse to listen to voters, the system is irrevocably headed for collapse, it seems like maybe you are in denial about that?
So you were one of the people who were cool with letting Trump enact Project 2025.
It's not like his behavior is a surprise. They literally published exactly what they were going to do and are doing it.
Protest voting or abstaining in the 2024 presidential election didn't hurt the DNC, and it didn't teach them a lesson. It hurt you and every other vulnerable person in the country. It hurt people dependent of USAID, it hurt the Ukrainians, it hurt Cuba, and it hurt Venezuela.
It certainly didn't help Palestine.
You are being down voted by fools
Stopping putting words in my mouth that I did not say and have an actual conversation with the person in front of you, not this strawman you keep shoving in front of me while I am trying to make a different point that you refuse to listen to because you are sure I did something and am proud of it that I have repeatedly said I did not do.
Oh quit the Orwellian bullshit. It's embarrassing.
How is their comment at all related to Orwell
Complaining about voters is like like complaining about the weather.
FTFY
They decided that, "kill them all and build a Trump resort there" was better than a political non-answer.
She didn't give a "non answer". That's not in a vacuum. She was part of the admin that was funding and supplying a genocide. So a non answer is the status quo. Which is genocide.
The Biden administration openly lied to the public. It was funny how smirkin' Matt Miller even admitted that what they were doing was wrong...conveniently when he was no longer in a position to do anything about it: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-03/matthew-miller-israel-war-crimes-us-state-department/105369528
Committing genocide to steal land that will likely be uninhabitable in 30 years due to climate change is certainly a choice.
What would that phone call entail?
"Hi Benny, no more weapons for you :) Call me back babe if you want to talk about it."
When Netanyahu calls back in a panic, simply repeat the phrase "stop the genocide or we will never give you military assistance again" until he hangs up.
It really doesn't matter what words you choose, Israel is a colonial outpost of the US, we utterly control the trajectory of the nation and to pretend otherwise is to swipe an absolutely astounding amount of military, monetary and political enablement under the rug that we have showered endlessly on Israel while it slaughters Palestinians.
And then the US pro-Israel lobby call their senators who inform that if Mr Caller still wants to be employed in a few days, the guns need to keep flowing.
And then that politician spectacularly loses in the next election even though they outspent their opponent by 10 times and it helps sink the idea that AIPAC is still powerful or holds any sway over the opinions of the average person in the US.
Yes, and try running a presidential campaign on that and see how it works out for you.
Democrats tried to play the demographics, and they lost. Their courting the center was 100% a utilitarian move.
If they had gone all out on Israel/Palestine, they would have lost BIG. Unfortunately, it's only very recently that people have staretd to come around regarding Israel.
The most popular politicians in the US are vocal about stopping the Palestinian Genocide, so yeah I absolutely would take that strategy if I was going to run.
Do you have.... any basis for your beliefs or is this just all feelings and no facts for you?
Those people don't fucking vote.
And that is a very recent turnaround. It's only been very recently that people have started to come around on Israel.
Uh...it was turning around like mid 2024. This is from March of 2024, and the numbers only keep falling from there:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
I'm only looking at Independents and Democrats; I don't care about the % for the Republicans since they weren't going to vote for Harris either way.
Wait, which is it. Are Palestinian supporters too few to care about, or were they numerous enough to blame for the election loss? Cause you're doing the classic fascist "our enemies are both incredibly weak and incredibly strong" bit.
Give sources for your evidence or stop repeating lazy narratives like this. You devalue this entire conversation by diluting the meaningful parts of it with your arguments towards people you imagine exist and are most definitely in the room right now with us like some kind of ghost you keep insisting is present that none of the rest of us can see.
I just don't believe that at all. The power the US holds has long faded into a shadow of its former self. I'm not even sure Trump could convince BB of the best breakfast spot in manhattan. Regardless of what the POTUS wants to happen in the Middle East, the Middle East will continue to do its thing.
Get out of here with your poetry, the bombs Israel drops are made in my backyard.
The idea that we don't have decisive leverage over Netanyahu is absurd and laughable.
"There's always never-ending conflict in the middle east" is a rather convenient position to take for the globe-spanning military super-power that's been meddling in the region for more than half a century.
Must be a bold response from someone who presumably never took history lessons and learned about the history of that region. Educate yourself.
I have pointed to the history, and your response is to say "nuh huh read more"
Sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to connect the dots between the US waging decades long wars of aggression in the Middle East and accomplished nothing with the idea that it's acceptable to keep sending weapons and fueling conflict through a proxy.
I find it funny how many people do seem to believe that the US or the EU funds Israel. Clearly clueless about the Israeli super resilient economy..
The EU is indeed the biggest funder of Gaza and that seems to give it exactly zero influence there :/
The US does fund Israel
What pisses me off is that America won't let its citizens have single payer yet we fund it for Israel