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Jerry Seinfeld says people who say 'Free Palestine' are worse than the Ku Klux Klan
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We don't like innocent people being killed. This isn't hard.
Yeah the one who claims to be a comedian on his taxes but I literally cannot find a video of him doing a set that makes humans laugh.
Agreed. So Hamas needs to surrender or be eliminated.
What Israel is doing with blocking humanitarian aid and having seemingly zero care about civilian casualties is abhorrent. But this only ends with the complete destruction of Hamas.
Maybe the state of Israel shouldn’t have funded Hamas to break student strikes.
And maybe Israel shouldn't have funded the potable water systems in Gaza since they were used to make rockets. Things get fucked up in unpredictable ways. Hindsight is 20/20.
Was Hamas around 70 years ago? Why did they kill Palestinians before Hamas was even created you fucking donkey
There were equivalents.
Whatever makes you feel like a hero, you waste of carbon.
Murdering tens of thousands of kids women and non-coms creates millions of people like Hamas. You wouldnt run out of hamas to kill because you are making 10 for every one you kill. Your thinking ends with either the genocide of the Arab world or the Israeli one.
You can end a war by killing an army but you cannot murder an idea or a movement in the same way.
How can you not see peace has to come from different thinking?
They dont want peace. They want land, and they dont consider humans who arent jews to be eligible for basic human rights. Its in the basic laws of their constitution. Its literally what makes Israel "israel". Racism and supremacy codified into law.
Certainly. But Hamas also has stated unequivocally that it will never allow peace while Israel exists. What can Isreal ever do to get peace?
Cant get peace if you dont try.
I agree. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people in Israel and around the world gave up on peace in our lifetimes after the Oct attacks.
And this kids, is what we call Cognitive Dissonance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Or the IDF, right?
Sure. But that seems even less likely.
So there are two options, and you just hate Palestinian children?
If it were my choice I'd have everyone lay down their arms immediately and work toward a long term peaceful solution which respect all parties and fairly shares the land. I'd do anything to bring peace and save Palestinian children. But back in the pragmatic world, I can see that Israel isn't planning on stopping its actions as there's no incentive (except morals, which don't seem to matter to them). I dont understand why Hamas doesn't surrender as continuing gives them nothing, and it enables the continued bloodshed of the civilians in Gaza. I think if global messaging focused more on calling for Hamas to surrender, we might actually get somewhere.
Silent part of this abhorrent argument is that as long as at least one Palestinian live, there is no certainty that Hamas was completly destroyed.
No. They could lay down arms, stop firing rockets at Israel, and return hostages. How hard is that to grasp?
And Israel could have ended this on October 8 by releasing the thousands Palestinian hostages they were holding without charges, without trial, in prisons treat viciously. Thats what Hamas asked for and why. Hamas took hostages to trade back their people with.
Israel wanted to keep holding people without charge and have a reason to bomb and steal from civilians more than they wanted their own hostages back.
That's one of the things they asked for. They also demand the elimination of the state of Israel and vowed for there never to be peace until that happened.
If I had a shekel for every nonsensical argument Israel frames as "elimination of the state of israel" or "kill us all" or "drive us into the sea", I'd be a rich person.
Hamas did not demand the elimination of the state of Israel. You're just making stuff up.
This is why peace negotiations with zionists are so hopeless. You lie about whats going on because you never wanted peace, you just want to not be seen as murderers and thieves. Look at the polls, thats not working. Even in the US. You need to stop digging the hole you are standing in and start being honest here.
They're murdering children. Go ahead and weasel out of that.
Weasel out of what? I've alsready condemned what Israel is doing. Just as I condemn what Hamas is doing. You?
Do you see anyone cheering for Hamas?
Yes, indirectly. Whenever any blame is put on Hamas it gets a barrage of deflection attacking Israeli actions. Some people even outright support Hamas and cite Israel's actions.
The bottom line is that there is an objectively worse party between the two. They are in the middle of carrying out an active genocide. They're both terrible organizations, we all understand that. One is systematically starving, imprisoning innocent people on an extremely large scale, including children.
We have nearly every "developed" nation supporting that. People are justifiably vilifying Israel for painfully obvious reasons.
Worse right now yes. But Hamas is purposefully keeping it going too, it's a pretty close 2nd. Hamas ramped this thing up in the Oct attacks for nothing but for getting social media hits of Gaza civilians getting smoked by Israel's garunteed response. Hamas purposely put Israel in a position where they'd need to respond brutally. It doesn't excuse Israel's actions now of course, but I think Hamas should share more of the responsibility than what posters here seem to realize.
Again. No one is condoning Hamas actions.
I wish that were true.
Even if it weren't, I am not saying that, and arguing what I'm saying as if I did or should be associated with anyone that did is not helping you or anyone.
Look back at this thread. I was responding with a clarification of how Hamas could meaningfully end the war. And you responded with an attack on Israel's actions. You were not wrong, but it was a deflection of the cretic on Hamas. That is a form of supporting Hamas. I understand it was a knee jerk reaction to what you perceived as the same kind of deflection of a criticism of Israeli actions. But I definitively condemned Israels actions while also pointing out that Hamas is also keeping this going.
What other people are doing does not give zionists a reason to commit genocide of civilians. There is no universe where thats allowed. zionists dont get a "genocide is OK here" card based on their accusations of others.
Israel has done nothing to deescalate this war, and they have also proven that their word cannot be trusted. Hamas should absolutely release every hostage, but that will not end this war.
I probably should have started with that.
Hamas surrendering probably wouldn't immediately stop this war now as Isreal is so far down the psycho rabbit hole. But I would think (hope) that it would trigger a lot more pressure from within the U.S. to stop it.
It wouldn't, we know for a fact a genocide is happening and we are literally funding it.
Have you considered that killing people's children (directly or indirectly through forces like starvation, lack of medical care, etc.) might be one of the best recruitment motivators for Hamas?
Yeah, it's probably not great for Israel long term. But Hamas will never allow peace while Israel exists. Kinda fucked up all around.
Militants are on the order of 1 in 40 people in Gaza. Even if they should lay down their arms Israel should still push them off their lands and kill them to make way for illegal settlers as they have been doing
So, with Israel incapable of eliminating Hamas without eliminating Palestinians, I take it you're in favour of genocide, then?
No.
Do you enjoy debating with strawmen?
And all this does is continue the cycle. You think these kids are going to grow up and not hat Israel?
Most people in Israel already wear funny little hats ;-)
But seriously, no I don't think it will work. But it will possibly buy a significant delay. It might help long term if Israel then made huge overtures to improve the quality of life for people in Gaza, to lay out a fair path to dual state solution and stopped pushing settlements (and backed out of many). But of course we know that won't happen, and even if it did, radicals (on both sides would do their best to scuttle the progress)
What a complete retard you are.
I know you are, but what am I?