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They spent a lot of money and political capital to train their AI just for it to get leaked back to the masses.
If only every AI company scraping the internet would have their model be given back to the people. It's the minimum they could do.
Courts will say "no, that's not what we meant by that" and will slap you silly.
AI companies aren't on the side of copyright reform or abolition, they just want an exception for themselves so they can keep doing whatever they're doing now. (And they also want more IP laws to cover the current grey areas, so they can stop pretending to give a damn about open models)
The post isn’t a sound legal argument, but it is an ethical one.
Yeah, well, Law and Ethics are two separate things which - very rarely these days - seem to cross each other. This is known.
Well, someone had to say it, so here I go:
inhales
If piracy isnt owning, then buying isn't stealing?
wait i messed it up
A+ for effort lol
True but it is only legal if you are a multi billion dollar company that could have paid for it, but didn't choose so.
If you can't afford it you should rot in Guantanamo for ever!
It's also ok if you are using it in an effort to make workers obsolete and upend the entire economy.
Yeah. Thats good. All law violations excused to do that. Also you get all the water if you're trying.
I don't know if it's different in the US, but here the downloading isn't punished, it's the sharing that gets you in trouble.
Our government allows ludicrous control to rights holders. I don't own any copies of movies, for example, even discs. Disney owns the physical discs. I just have them in my home. I own the right to play the discs in certain ways. I'll bet policies will be updated to clarify that Disney doesn't approve of, "training AI".
But it's the same here. If you aren't actively doing anything that upsets rights holders, they'll leave you alone.
What country?
US. Apologies, edited before posting and removed that key piece of information.
I don't think you're correct about them owning the disk, unless you mean in the sense there are things you believe you should be able to do that you aren't. You can own a book, but it doesn't mean you hold the copyright.
When laws do not work for most of the people is it worth following in the first place?
Hmm...
If I illegally download college course text books I could also technically pirate a whole ass education. Just won't have a degree.
Unless... Can I pirate that, too? 🤔
Educating computers 😇
Educating people 😡
All you need to do is print it, forge the signatures and input it in the national registry. Should be doable.
If you train a local LLM and let that LLM write your thesis for you, it's fine.
Having the material doesn't mean you know it unfortunately. You could probably give yourself a PhD level of education yourself with resources publicly available, but you would need to be able to learn on your own, and putting together the curriculum would be a problem since you are starting as a novice at whatever subject it is.
however, the curriculum is also often publicly available
Totally, when I want to learn a new subject in my field I will go find a uni course with a public curriculum and use that to help my studies. It also lets you find books that have ostensibly accurate information
So I can cover a song and distribute it, right? Right??
No, but you can learn it
So, don't release albums, release tutorials?
So then I guess I can learn the song, write down the notes from memory, and play that cover. It's all gone through a neural network and so it's all fine, right?
So, I memorized all the binary digits in the waveform of a Metallica song and wrote it down from memory.
Unfortunately I've got a bad memory so I had to do them one digit at a time, but technically I didn't copy anything, I only wrote down my own memories, right? Also, my handwriting is worse than my doctor's so I chose to write it on a computer.
The funniest thing happened when I accidentally opened this text file in Winamp. It almost sounded like music, except that the drums were played like shit.
education is a fair use exception, too
Oh, so I should get a positronic brain?
My dyslexia turned that into post ironic brain and that works too
I like post-ironic. That's when satire doesn't work any more because real life is worse.
Step 1: positronic brain
Step 2: make a fuck-ton of clocks
Step 3: profit