the worst part of this entire fascist regime is that people like gavin newsom can act like a good guy
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mfw people start treating the neo-feudalist who throws trans people under the bus and tried to join the fascists like some savior bc 4chan memes:
I know Trans people less certain about the issues you claim are throwing them under the bus than you are. They think Newsom has been perfectly reasonable on Trans matters. So do I. And if you're going to use that wedge issue as an excuse to succumb to authoritarianism...
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Perfectly reasonable? His position is literally the same as the far right's
That sounds disingenuous and hyperbolic. How about we use specific examples in discussing this further? What exactly do you have a problem with? And are you aware of any policies he supports that do benefit the trans community? Or are you arguing there are none?
He literally did a whole podcast with Charlie Kirk explaining his hatred for us
Ok, finished watching the entire interview. Didn't hear anything that would I would classify as a hatred for trans people. What part did you find hateful?
You don't think banning transpeople from sports or forcing us to identify as our birth gender are hateful?
Where did Newsom support a policy of forcing people to identify as birth gender?
As for sports, you don't think sports should be biologically separated by gender? Nor did he support a ban. His policy is to leave it up to the local governing bodies and communities that involve the people in question. It's a FRACTION of a percentage point of people. That's a very complex issue, and no I don't think it's hateful. If you think it's coming from a place of hatred, I would definitely call that hyperbolic as I originally stated. I know trans people that understand sports are a more complex issue that involves fairness and biological advantages. Everything in life that doesn't let you do whatever you want whenever you want is not the same as hatred and persecution. And this mentality is exactly the victim mentality that people are driving people towards the right.
Like by your metrics, I would be labeled as a transphobic hateful non ally, despite being a lifelong progressive voter with a trans gf all because I think you should make pragmatic voting decisions and understand that whether or not a fraction of a percentage of people can play some dumb games with a ball while they and far more people lose access to Medicaid.
This is exactly what people talk about when we say the left fights amongst itself, has no solidarity, no strategy. If you think trans sports affects trans people more than hundreds of billions being cut from healthcare, than hundreds of billions being redirected into a personal army that will hunt them, then I'm going to disagree.
Your fear is making you see everyone as an enemy, and if you want to get meaningful things done, it requires communicating and organizing with people, and communicating requires a bridging of minds. Not stubborn projection.
The thing is the sports thing is an issue, but not for why you're thinking.
Conservatives do not care about women's sports, what they care about is a wedge issue. Something they can point to and say "See we knew they were bad."
Even if you wanna say they have a point, the idea that transwomen have an unfair advantage has been debunked. Every league that lets transpeople play typically require blood tests to prove the person has been on hormones long enough for any advantage to be gone.
Transwomen in sports is not a real concern, it's just how the Right gets their foot in the door. And it's clearly working on you given how overly hostile you're being towards me.
It's not that I REALLY support Trans Athletes, in reality I can count them on one hand. The problem is that the athlete non-issue is being used as an anti-trans dogwhistle
I'm not seeing everyone as the enemy, you are seeing us as unreasonable simply because we refuse to be labeled as dangerous by the Right.
I'm saying you are unreasonable based on the things you said. Not about what conservatives are doing. It's based on you spouting far right talking points about Gavin Newsom as if he's Trump's right hand man. Your main justification was he went on Charlie Kirk, and you didn't even cite specific policies or statements to justify your statement that he hates trans people. How is that reasonable? I'm literally asking for your reasons. It's the definition of being reasonable.
I never said Gavin Newsom was Trump's right hand man nor did I repeat any right wing talking points.
I merely stated that Gavin dislikes transpeople, uses the "women's sports" dog whistle, and has said the Dems need to drop transpeople to win.
He can be anti trump and a transphobic bigot at the same time. And he is
It’s pretty hyperbolic to say Newsom’s stance is “the same as the far right.” The far right is pushing outright bans on gender-affirming care, forced outing of kids, bathroom bans, and even criminal penalties. Newsom, by contrast, has signed laws making California a trans sanctuary state, protecting student privacy, expanding gender-neutral IDs, and safeguarding trans prisoners.
You also said he went on Charlie Kirk to talk about how much he hates you. You never said which part. Did you just hear about the interview and jump on some anti Newsom band wagon or what did he say specifically that you construe as hatred?
In this case, he's an imperfect solution to the real problem, which is trump and his fascist cronies. Literally anyone who's not down that road is better.
Is Gavin perfect? Fuck no. Not even a little.
But if it puts us in a better state than we are now, I'll welcome it.
We need to get off this fucked up train the trump era nazis have sent us down before it gets even worse.
And it will.
Is he actually helping though? Or just sucking up press oxygen and adding to his own brand? What is the actual benefit of this performance?
The thing that will stop Trump is widespread public resistance. Not likely Newsom’s tweets or whatever is going on right now.
Not sure. Too early to tell. What I do know is that it's a bit of a rallying cry right now for dems/progressives. Like Mamdani is. Ride the lightning, no matter the source at this point. We need to galvanize everyone against trump. It may take any form it wishes, and we need to get behind it if we want a shot at fixing this cesspit they've made.
TL;DR; He's useful until he isn't. Then we move on to the next thing. We need people aligned and fighting trump, whatever form that takes.
As bad as his trans stances are, still miles better than even the absolute best Republican
Yeah he will not support trans rights and maybe even erase some rights.
The current republican party is moving rapidly towards extermination camps
Yeah but we still have a little over two years until the primary circus starts so I can't fault people for wanting to dream of a future they actually want to live in for the time being
No not at all I support that fully, but I really don't want another situation where we have "milquetoast whatever vs Nazi" and people are more focused on how the Democrat isn't perfect enough to not try to stop the nazi
He needs to keep doing it
Too bad it's fash on fash politics. Newsom is total garbage. Anti-trans, Anti-housing, Anti-transit, Pro-capital, Steve Bannon homie...
Just another less than worthless lib. The reason we have Trump.
Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
He's not even nominated yet, at least save your "lesser evil" bullshit until there is an election. Until then we should demand "no evil", not this prick
I don't want him as president.
god damnit, I hate it that one of the most milquetoast neoliberals of our time hits upon an A+ strategy. Whatever staffer in his office had that idea deserves a raise. If it was his own idea, I'd be shocked.