Confirming the military should not follow through with illegal orders.
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Dear America,
You are disposable to them.
Dear ~~America~~ Earth,
You are disposable to them.
and i really wish people would understand it was that way before trump too. trump admin is a little more extreme and blunt about it.
America is a nation of purposely indoctrinated naivety and privilege that provides escapism from honest humanity. Its not just the government its the culture of arrogance. Some how you are all proud and willing to pay for people to be killed so you can remain free-range cattle for a nation of business to profits off and manipulates and uses your entire existence.
America is a threat to humanity as a whole.
This demonstrates another reason why you shouldn't obey clearly illegal orders. If you kill someone on the illegal order of a superior and then they deny having given the order, guess who's gonna hang for it?
Nobody, apparently. They think that if they pass the blame enough, most people will forget it ever even happened. They are right.
Until we start lynching killer cops in the streets, they'll never even think about holding their own accountable. It is only the threat of direct, immediate consequences that will have any effect on the status quo
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Do you want the military to coup d'etat your ass? Because throwing your admiral under a ~~bus~~ boat will make many military leaders think...
Eh, what am I saying? Please keep throwing them, we all want a coup at this point
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This is the whole point of "chain of command". The suckers are at the bottom. This admiral should be grateful that he's not dead in the ditch somewhere like his victims abroad and in the lower ranks.
And this is one of the many, many good reasons why one does not comply with illegal orders, damn it!
Ah, yes the most upstanding army that didn't comply to illegal orders in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria et al.
The fuck you guys smoking?
Hey military— see what happens when you obey illegal orders?
⤵️🚌
Admiral should've remembered the oldest rule in the military... "shit always rolls downhill." Don't think for a second that your superior will cover for you when something like this happens, even if they gave the order and should also be held accountable.
I mean, probably nothing. Its not like anyone is going to investigate or prosecute. Trump's just throwing up chaff so he can whine about the press treating him unfairly. "We didn't do it, but if we did it would have been based and cool, and don't think we won't do the thing we didn't do again if we feel like it" is exactly what I'd have expected to hear from a PR flack in the Bush or Reagan Era.
Hell, I'm pretty sure this is the line Bush Sr used when the US shot down that Iranian passenger airliner. Nobody suffered any kind of consequence for that, either. Hell, the air warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal after killing a few hundred civilians.
I bet Trump's Navy Command is going to look like late-stage Brezhnev by the time he's finished passing out pins and ribbons for civilian casualties.
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Oh look, exactly what Mark Kelly was talking about. Shit rolls down hill guys. Remember that when someone orders you to murder people.
The top brass who aren't full on MAGA, but didn't leave now have clear proof that they are expendable and will be scapegoated to protect Trump and his croneys. Honestly showing their hand at this stage gives me a lot of hope that any coup won't happen now and resistance will be strengthened from within. I smell leaks coming!
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Follow illegal orders, get thrown under the bus.
Dont follow illegal orders, get thrown under the bus.
you know I'm starting to think that maybe they should just deal with the people giving the orders
That's very uncommon for brainwashed crowd called "military" to do so.
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I guess we can add "war criminal" or straight up "murderer" to Trump's list of accomplishments. It's his administration.
Yes, this is literally every president.
True, but politics is always going to be messy. Even if Bernie Sanders took the office, I'm sure he'd have to make lots of awful decisions. But even though Obama authorized drone strikes, I doubt he ever gave orders to kill everyone, or just arbitrarily struck fishing boats because he got off on it. Maybe Obama is a war criminal, but I think he really did feel bad about it. It's been established that Trump very literally, as in literally literally gets aroused by deporting people.
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Killing survivors of a destroyed vessel is literally an example of a war crime in the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual. “For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal,” the manual reads.
RTFM
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I can’t believe it was Joe Biden that flew the plane.
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As they should. But the fact that he chose to follow an obviously illegal order, doesn't absolve the ones who gave that order. This should in no way, take the heat off Hegseth...or Trump himself.
Can it be a war crime if you’re not actually at war? Seems like it’s just murder.
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So we went from denial, to it happened but it wasn't us...
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault. <— we are here
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
I think we're currently in the phase where it's rapidly undulating between both takes.
Give it another week and it'll devolve into "what firing on shipwrecked people? What are you talking about? Lalalala, I can't hear you!"
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As was said elsewhere, the transmitted command will have been recorded. The hard undeniable truth can be provided. Congress just needs to subpoena it, or a soldier with a conscience needs to whistleblow and leak it. Otherwise, we trust the liars' word and they get away with yet more of what are unquestionably, objectively, war crimes.
I mean did you expect anyone in maga to take responsibility for anything negative?
We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement, just common sense, maximum lethality and authority for warfighters.
Pete Hegseth [Source]
warfighters
I fucking hate the way this LARPer talks about armed forces
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It was LEGAL but ALSO Pete Hegseth DIDNT know about it AND we Fired someone Over it!
If he ordered it, or complied with the order from above, lock him up. If not, this accusation is yet another confession.
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First of all, blowing up a boat like is illegal. Even if it was legal you'll have to prove that the boat contained drugs, but you just blowed your evidences! The guys that survived the attack then would have no charges over them and would be set free. Probably these guys were innocent and the boat was not a drug boat, thus they killed them as a cover up
As a sailor, I find the whole shoddy affair most disgusting.
Yes in war (and this was by no means a war) we may seek to kill one another as enemies, but every sailor knows, it is the sea who is the ultimate enemy.
A human adrift at sea is a pitiful thing. To save them is to save ourselves.
Even in WWII, the German Navy refused Hitler's illegal orders and outright saved or radioed the location of boats they sunk and survivors in the water, even to the peril of their crew stealth. It pissed Hitler off early in the war.
Captain Zur See Hans Langsdorff of the Graf Spee was famous for this. It did eventually cost him his ship though he saved the majority of his crew along with any Allied prisoners he had aboard.
The German submarine fleet, on the other hand, was less inclined to do this primarily due to the nature of the submarine as a weapon. Though there were exceptions.
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Hmm, I wonder why Admiral Holsey decided to retire when he did. 🤔
Ok... So common sense would read that as: ' it wasn't legal, it's a prime example of a war crime, and Pete may not have explicitly approved of that action, but probably gave a vague order like 'no survivors' , which the admiral took literally, and so it's entirely the admirals fault for not disobeying an unlawful order. '
All I want for Christmas is a military coup, cold hard justice for the traitors enabling Trump, and emergency elections, monitored by the military, and un observers
Ordering that operations be conducted on the basis that there be "no survivors" is also specifically cited as an example of a war crime by the same manual: "Moreover, it is also prohibited to conduct hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors, or to threaten the adversary with the denial of quarter."
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