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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 33 minutes ago)

Included in the bill:

The proposal includes a provision that would tax former California residents for up to 10 years after they move.

Seems totally fair! I’m sure so many of you would have no issues with this at all! Right?

Also, as Newsom has stated his reasoning is that it causes fiscal instability that would drive out businesses and hurt state finances. Furthermore, he has said he is willing to work on broader solutions to the issues. But yeah, as usual- don’t let this get in the way of whatever fabricated bullshit take is currently being used and accepted without question.

It’s pretty evident from the comments here that no one learned what happens as a result of ignorantly believing that good is the enemy of perfect, and will be perfectly happy to repeat the mistakes of the past.

And lastly, I know this is a nuanced take on the matter, and nuance is generally considered an enemy of the state here, so I’m fully expecting to be accused of being whatever the current ad hominem of the week is. (Is it still “bootlicker? It’s hard to keep track. I know “bLueMaGa” was popular a while back)

But be that as it may, to me, it won’t make what I said wrong. Just- disagreed with.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

FINALLY. Someone thinking about the billionaires.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

Can we stop being stupid?

This doesn't mean he thinks billionaires shouldn't pay more taxes. It means it's childish and stupid to focus on a single number when it comes to actual policy.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The only reason Newsom has had any interest from the broader electorate is that he was outspoken in opposing Trump. The minute he enters the primary and starts spouting the same valueless, donor-approved, corporate drivel as Kamala, Jefferies, Schumer, etc., he's going to flame out fast.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like people have completely forgotten that Kamala was at like 3% when she bowed out of the primaries.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago

The hatred of trump might propel a dem who otherwise has no chance. like when Biden won. Against any competent republican he would have been clobbered.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I got a fiver that says he has to try to walk this back when he runs “the most progressive campaign in us history” in 2028.

I mean, how lucky are we? Hillary, Biden, Kamala, all with “the most progressive platform” ever!

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

oh yeah, totally feeling lucky, think I'll go buy a lottery ticket.

edit: I lost.

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If this is the Democratic candidate, and there is no adequate progressive 3rd party candidate, 2028 will be the first election I sit out since 2000.

I am DONE accepting milquetoast corporate right wing democrats just because they aren’t literally insane. John Kerry was my first, and Kamala Harris is my last. I swear to fucking god.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It fucking blows my mind that with all Trump is doing, you people STILL refuse to learn what happens when good is positioned to be the enemy of perfect.

Heads up bud-

There will NEVER be a candidate you will like. Because ALL of them know how the game is played. YOU don’t. And as a result of this, they will all fail you in one way or another.

So go ahead and pout at home because a perfect candidate isn’t running. The rest of us will be voting against fascism while you’re enjoy those cartoons on Election Day.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah, I feel you. I also feel the person responding to. In this case, if we’re going to reflect on the past, I’d like to see a considerable share of the blame placed on the millions (what 84 million?) that actually voted FOR Prince Don. If we’re looking to the future, I’d suggest that any person seeking voter support be meaningful and have good faith effort solutions.
Awful hard to convince people to care if their ending is the same either way.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago

The ending is NOT the same either way. And suffering it would be is in very bad faith.

The shit we’re dealing with world not have happened under Kamala’s presidency.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

"b... b... bUt alL tHe BiLliOnAiReS wILl rUn aWAy. TRiCkLe DoWn eCoNoMiCs, sOmeThIng, SoMeThIng" - bootlicking cunt

Newsom has received campaign cash from billionaires such as Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs, and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, among others.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Of course he does.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 117 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the "centrist", only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gavin never supported progressive ideals?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago

Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it's just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.

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[–] forrcaho@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I'm glad he's having his moment now; his unhinged social media posts put the president's in perspective and the redistricting of California in advance of the midterms shows how we can fight fire with fire.

But most importantly, the way cycles of popularity work means that he will be tired, old news by 2028. We will be safe from him.

[–] j4k3@piefed.world 17 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

His sales pitch is centered around "I'm not a Republican^tm^!"

Most people on this planet don't lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.

On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it's between him and <insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I'll vote for him.

However, I'd imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of "friend" of the poor and the middle class.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

I'd vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.

A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn't be voting for him, I'd be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're not voting for him. You're voting against the other guy.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

THATS. HOW. TRUMP. WON.

How have ppl not realized not being Trump can't be your entire platform!?!?

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Then vote in the fucking primary. I. The general you sit up and back the better candidate no matter how shit.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't vote for Gavin if he was the Democratic candidate. He is just as horrible as the other Democrats.

We need true change and true leaders that will change the government to work for the working class instead of the wealthy.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

So who would you vote for? JD Vance? Or you throwing your vote away and letting JD Vance win anyway?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No one said anything about Vance.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago

This has to stop. You CANNOT ignore the Republican opponent. It's fucking ridiculous. Why do you not apply ANY scrutiny to the Republican candidate? You know they take when the Democrat loses, right?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Gonna have to change that stance if he wants to run on the Dem ticket in the year of our lord 2028.

Cuz everyone gonna be REAL fucking mad at billionaires by then if things keep going the way they are.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I genuinely hope so, but at the same time, polling shows conservatives and moderates don't currently hate billionaires - they think of them as smart job creators. We have to change their hearts and minds on this, they are hearing nothing but propaganda from the billionaires themselves, all of it blaming brown and black people for their woes.

Killing multiple birds with one stone, we need to educate people on what's actually happening instead of assuming they'll just break down and join our side (which also applies to a number of other issues). We don't have an education apparatus right now which is a huge miss. Education campaigns need to be running billboards and commercials explaining what we already know and take for granted.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The Dems rigged the election against Bernie to protect billionaires, then had a court declare that they were legally within their right to rig it. What makes you think they care how angry the average person is at their owners?

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Because that anger can't bottle up forever without some real life consequences

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until a class revolution takes place.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 9 points 21 hours ago

I mean c’mon, let’s not get too carried away, next thing ya know they’ll be wanting to tax the billionaires or something.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Jon Stewart, 2028.

The problem with Reagan and Trump isn't that they were actors. The problem is that they were complete pieces of shit long before they were elected.

Actor-presidents have demonstrated a natural propensity for revolutionary disruption of entrenched attitudes. Reagan completely fucked over economic policy; Trump is completely fucking over the fundamental concept of democracy.

Imagine that same degree of revolutionary disruption moving us toward egalitarianism rather than corpo-fascism.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Zelenski worked out pretty well for Ukraine.

He's not a saint, but he's been pretty damn good by understanding.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

China appears to have benefited more from Reagan's policies than the US.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Rails against celebrities in politics.

Nominates a celebrity instead.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point in time I'm pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 14 points 1 day ago

If you're not greedy, the billionaires won't fund your campaign. Then you lose.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 26 points 1 day ago

No surprise to anyone who's been paying attention to what he does instead of what he says.

[–] rhubarb@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

At some point the left needs to realize that sitting out voting doesn’t work. Yes the candidate sucks from your political stance but they are better than the alternative and it gives a platform from which to push left. This has been the playbook of the right for decades and is why they have been so successful in shifting the Overton window. They vote in any circumstance even if the candidate isn’t as right leaning as they would prefer but to them at least it’s not a dem.

Edit: to be clear I’m all for taxing billionaires and corporations far more.

We still have ample time to get someone better than Gavin.

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'd vote for Newsom if he's the nominee, but I really hope he's not the nominee (assuming, obviously, the relative utopian future where we get to vote in 2028).

I'm glad when his media exposure goals overlap with doing actual good things, but - and I may be putting too fine a point on it - he's basically Hillary if Hillary had a penis and was super jazzed about it, and I am fairly confident I know the smug look he makes when he smells his own farts.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's fully bought by aipac. A vote for him is a vote to murder children and civilians.

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[–] Doozer@piefed.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Liberals gonna liberal.

I'd still rather have a capitalist than a fascist.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Scratch a capitalist and you'll find a fascist. But yeah gun to my head, I'll take it. Figuratively speaking, at least for now.

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