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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)
[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 54 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Recession has always been the point.

Rich get richer; everyone else gets poorer.

Without fail, wealth inequality worsens and never falls back to pre-recession levels.

Best we can do is cut into the blue collar maga base in a way they understand at their 4th grade selfish and aggressive predisposition: the rich are stealing your shit.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Recessions should be renamed to be more honest: it's a wealth transfer.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

That process only works to a point, otherwise you get the French Revolution.

The French Revolution was done by the predecessors of the rich of today. On the other hand there was this one German economist who predicted that the ever increasing economic crises would lead to the workers rising up.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

I remember seeing articles around 2016 about the wealth inequality of the US being more unbalanced than the conditions that led to the French Revolution. It has only gotten worse, and I'm seeing less class solidarity by the day.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I’m not convinced we could organize well enough to make that happen.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Once unemployment hits critical mass, there's a pull like a siphon. Enough people around to just, always make life hell for those in charge and that usually makes thing change. Then those trapped in employment all go on break at once, adding to the crowds. Happened before, will happen again. Almost happened during covid (thus the push to reopen business). This time we gotta push for a safety net and an end to fascism.

Oh, and since the fascists are in office it will be... bloody. That usually pushes people to act. Just gotta trust those around us. That's why you should go to protests. So you bring it closer to critical mass, the point, in numbers, beyond where the local cops are willing to escalate.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It all comes together quite quickly once people can’t feed themselves en masse. We’re not there yet but when it happens it happens fast.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This is a very naive way of thinking that comes from a propagandized view of revolutions and ignorance of history on all the efforts that came before which allowed those revolutions to happen at all. It doesn't come together quickly. It is explicitly the result of having a community foundation and culture to build revolutionary effort on which took years of concerted effort to reach that point. Organizing doesn't happen spontaneously nor quickly. Anyone who told you otherwise was lying to you.

The ruling class has systematically been dismantling that very foundation since the Taft Hartley act.

The same risk of starvation that pushes people to revolution also pushes them to obedience to strongmen who promise to fix their problems by removing the "undesirables" who are being blamed for the misfortune. Without the proper working class culture of solidarity and a community foundation, people are more than likely just going to turn on their neighbors than they are to work with them, especially with the culture of hyper-individualism and xenophobia that the US has cultivated.

If we fail to build back that foundation, people are just going to sell each other out for their next slice of bread.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

America is not France. A war here would be exceptionally bad for everyone.

Edit: Apologies, I am American and appropriately self-centered. I was not even considering a global stage. I strictly meant modern America is a completely different stage than 18th century France, and just assuming that it will play out the same is a dangerous mindset.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Good point, as we know France was a globally irrelevant country at the time.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You'd think after the first couple, people would get rid of everyone in charge that brought them about instead of continuing to leave them in power.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

They promised really hard that they'd never do it again and would work really hard to fix things until everyone was distracted or until enough time went by. It's easy to do when you're in power for fifty or sixty years straight.

[–] don@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 hours ago

Oh, it’s not the first time I was thrown over a cliff, and it won’t be the last. What can I say? I’m a rebel.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

No, no, let's bring it off. Please.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

It's once in a lifetime because by the end of it you aged like 80 years