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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45730883

With more than 80,000 AI-powered cameras across the U.S., Flock Safety has become one of cops’ go-to surveillance tools and a $7.5 billion business. Now CEO Garrett Langley has both police tech giant Axon and Chinese drone maker DJI in his sights on the way to his noble (if Sisyphean) goal: Preventing all crime in the U.S.

In a windowless room inside Atlanta’s Dunwoody police department, Lieutenant Tim Fecht hits a button and an insectile DJI drone rises silently from the station rooftop. It already has its coordinates: a local mall where a 911 call has alerted the cops to a male shoplifter. From high above the complex, Fecht zooms in on a man checking his phone, then examines a group of people waiting for a train. They’re all hundreds of yards away, but crystal clear on the room-dominating display inside the department’s crime center, a classroom-sized space with walls covered in monitors flashing real- time crime data—surveillance and license plate reader camera feeds, gunshot detection reports, digital maps showing the location of cop cars across the city. As more 911 calls come in, AI transcribes them on another screen. Fecht can access any of it with a few clicks.

Twenty minutes down the road from Dunwoody, in an office where Flock Safety’s cameras and gunshot detectors are arrayed like museum pieces, 38-year-old CEO and cofoun­der Garrett Langley presides over the $300 million (estimated 2024 sales) company responsible for it all. Since its founding in 2017, Flock, which was valued at $7.5 billion in its most recent funding round, has quietly built a network of more than 80,000 cameras pointed at highways, thoroughfares and parking lots across the U.S. They record not just the license plate numbers of the cars that pass them, but their make and distinctive features—broken windows, dings, bumper stickers. Langley estimates its cameras help solve 1 million crimes a year. Soon they’ll help solve even more. In August, Flock’s cameras will take to the skies mounted on its own “made in Amer­ica” drones. Produced at a factory the company opened earlier this year near its Atlanta offices, they’ll add a new dimension to Flock’s business and aim to challenge Chinese drone giant DJI’s dominance.

Langley offers a prediction: In less than 10 years, Flock’s cameras, airborne and fixed, will eradicate almost all crime in the U.S. (He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.) It sounds like a pipe dream from another AI-can-solve- everything tech bro, but Langley, in the face of a wave of opposition from privacy advocates and Flock’s archrival, the $2.1 billion (2024 revenue) police tech giant Axon Enterprise, is a true believer. He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

Before reading anything else, I'm going all in on this only mentioning violent or public crimes and ignoring financial or corporate crimes

[–] bier@feddit.nl 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Americans when you talk about gun control: NOOO mah freedom, I need it to protect myself from the government.

Americans when you tell them a private company is going to monitor and track every citizen, basically making a dystopian police state: I have nothing to hide so it's fine.

I feel Europe is basically the other way around, less guns, but more privacy.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I was going to say have you looked at the shit the U.K. is doing lately, but sometimes I forget they voted their way into authoritarianism

I will say though, I'm very surprised there have been so many local governments within Europe that seem to be allowing this kind of shit.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-expands-use-of-palantir-surveillance-software/a-73497117

[–] bier@feddit.nl 1 points 2 minutes ago

Yeah this is where the EU has a problem, because our intelligence agencies don't really have great alternatives. For police we can probably just go without palantir

[–] xcel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Don't be so sure about the privacy part. Sure Europe so far seems to have had a privacy first policy, but that's about to change in the coming days https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

[–] bier@feddit.nl 6 points 1 hour ago

Yeah we (Europeans) should also constantly keep fighting for our privacy and freedom. Thanks for sharing the link I'm glad the Netherlands is against it.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

that picture looks like a master race advertisement.

[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Anyone have any intel on how well these cameras hold up against buckshot?

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 minutes ago

I'm just as curious about the drones. Do they have a 'stop-and-hover' mode if you jam them temporarily, or do they set down? As to the cameras, well... it's a nice fantasy that you'd get away with it, but unless there's a civil war going on, you're going to be caught shooting buckshot at them. That's what they're truly trying to build, and they've gotten there if they can monitor your car from nearly at your home until you leave it (the car), track you walking to wherever you commit the crime and back to your car, then track you as you drive away until you get nearly home.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Oh yeah, I can't wait to become a digital slave...

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

🎶 It's beginning to look a lot like a dystopia

Everywhere you go

There's drones flying around

Recording all the sounds

And reporting on your every move

Liberty is just the cost I have to pay for muh safety! /s

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

since there have been laws, there have been criminals

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They’re going to build a society in which all basic needs such as access to food, water, education, housing, and health care are provided to all people making the need for most crime unnecessary???

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago

That would actually be cheaper than what they're trying to do.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 6 hours ago

Oh look, it's the main villain in a Cyberpunk novel.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, I've seen this movie already: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 hours ago

Is this ~~damage control~~ propaganda after the popular Benn Jordan video?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 7 hours ago

Make trains run by the clock, eh?

He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.

Even better. State programs of giving people bullshit jobs earning their gratitude, loyalty and readiness to join, say, some paramilitary force?

He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

A knife can be used both for cutting bread and for cutting off heads. And they are.

A gun can be used both for stopping a very bad person and for stopping a very good person. And they are.

And a surveillance net of drones (that can also carry weapons) can be used both for reducing crime and reducing dissent. And it will be.

There are moments when I'm glad I live in a backwards (relatively to the US) country.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 8 hours ago

Are they going to place cameras in the white house? Because that would be a start.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 15 points 9 hours ago

No they don't.

They think saying they do will make them rich.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 35 points 11 hours ago

I'll believe it when they catch a McDonald's manager shorting his employees' wages.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 30 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Before we try to manage the entire population at large, let's just eliminate crime in prisons and jails. That's a controlled environment, but it's rife with crime. If we can't fix a controlled environment, how can we possibly fix an open environment?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 7 hours ago

They don't want to fix it, they want power intended to help fix it, similar to what prison guards have, outside of prisons.

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[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 36 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

So they're gunna use AI to find ways to better fund public education and harm reduction programs to keep people out of prisons while eliminating the pretext for hyper-militarized policing forces? Right?

...Right?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 87 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Thinks it can ~~eliminate all crime in America~~ make a shit load of money

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 96 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

glances at white house

might wana start with that... 👀

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago

34x convicted but not sentenced criminal in there.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 53 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is just an ad for obvious bullshit. Forbes may as well be running articles about how ozempic is done because of this one weird trick a local veteran discovered.

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 12 hours ago
[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (10 children)

This company has illegally installed their cameras in more than one town, then tried to sell the local police force on them.

They have lawyers on staff that they use to coach local politicians on how to hold the votes to establish contracts with them in ways that aren't technically illegal, but ensure that no community opposition has a way to have their voices heard.

You can find a lot of these sprts of stories by searching online. In local subreddits, ones dedicated to talking about flock, and local news.


Benn Jordan has a good 40 minute video giving an overview of these systems, how they work, what they track, and why they are a problem. He highlights some cases where families were held at gunpoint by police due to failures of these systems. He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.


Louis Rossman is currently leading a campaign against their installation where he lives in Austin, Texas right now. Has a number of videos on it.

Overview before the Austin City Council vote: https://youtu.be/4RM09nKczVs

Call for people to show up at the Austin City Council session to discuss the potential contract with Flock, and showing how difficult it is to find this sort of stuff and be involved with your local government: https://youtu.be/g4vL1ERdZ9Y

Call to action 2: https://youtu.be/hDOmYqlwxD4

Austin City Council reschedules the vote (in a questionably illegal fashion) with less than 24 hours notice when they realize they kicked the hornet's nest: https://youtu.be/iscDYp6dtl8

Minor followup during the wait for the revised time, at two of the three parks with 90% of reported car break ins these cameras are meant to deter: https://youtu.be/2QbtDWrlPpc

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[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How to stop crime in America in one easy step: lose all laws. Runnerup solution: hold wealthy accountable to existing laws and remove loopholes for the elite, allowing wealth inequality to balance and improve access to education and basic human needs. One to me seems more practical, but I'd bet that many see both as equally horrible solutions.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The main thing in an investigation is not to stumble upon yourself...

Well, to be honest, we are facing a terrible future where we will not be able to buy anything without a slave mark or with poor loyalty.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I want to see the camera that will stop white-collar crime.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 14 points 12 hours ago

That's kind of the point. Only target crime by poor brown people as they can't afford lawyers.

Try putting a surveillance system in a corporate boardroom and see how that goes over.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 22 points 14 hours ago

This company needs to get shut down. Invasive. Illegal. Immoral. They are ushering in a police state and anti privacy world, and of course profiting from it.

You can piss on us, but don't tell us it's rain.

[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

there's a lot of mid-century French theorists spinning in their graves right now

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[–] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Does that include the content theft used to train the AI models?

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

No, of course you're kidding, this is their plan to displace people in order to have more obedient slaves who will not have the opportunity to be independent.

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