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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

There is no conclusive evidence yet and people need to fucking stop pretending there is.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, though. The kid was born in crackerstan. Non-Republican's there are about as common as non-whites. He's the result of a long-term breeding experiment that investigates what would happen if you concentrated all the most gullible/ignorant people into a single space. Their Republican governor literally prayed to their god, that the person guilty of the crime was an outsider/other that they could all openly admonish and attack. acknowledging in a Freudian manner, just how bad and demented people in the area are because of the cult. His whole family are sympathizers for the fascists.And much like Mormonism is the dumbest of an already dumb religion. He somehow found a dumber sect than the dumbest sect of politics his family was already in.

About all the kid was confused and conflicted. Generally very conservative and Republican by any measure.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 37 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm amazed at all the people on this website convinced that there's no such thing as leftists with conservative families.

[–] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago

As a leftist with almost all family being conservative: I wouldn't be writing 4chan memes on bullets, if it was politically motivated it would be clear cut. Trans rights are human rights. Free Palestine. Seize the means of production. Not telling them they're gay if they read something like it's 2006.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

It’s called motivated reasoning. If you asked them outside of this context you would get the correct and obvious answer but now that their pet theory depends on it they will pretend there is no such thing.

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[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

The kid was born in crackerstan. Non-Republican’s there are about as common as non-whites.

this is demographics, not evidence.

He’s the result of a long-term breeding experiment that investigates what would happen if you concentrated all the most gullible/ignorant people into a single space.

???

Rest of post is a screed about how you don't like Utah. Not evidence.

I have seen no evidence either way this guy was a leftist, or a groyper, or anything. People out there WISH he was something so they can wrap this whole thing up and explain it away, without acknowledging that people with fulfilling lives and hopeful futures don't do things like this.

His whole family are sympathizers for the fascists

So are mine, and here I am, posting on lemmy.ml

Slow your roll. Post evidence or stop muddying the waters.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We don't know all the facts. He could just as easily be a leftist. I hate that it matters so much because either way, he had some demons to be able to do that. I see people on the right just as sure he's a leftist and I despise the idea that people would rather push a narrative than know the truth. Sadly, people on the right will always blame a leftist no matter what now and vice versa. I would prefer to know the truth whatever it is. And yes I know that historically what the odds are here. Truth matters though. Let's not stoop to immediately making a decision and ignoring facts that come out later.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No one here said a leftist couldn't have done this. What people are saying is that due to clear circumstantial evidence, there's very little chance he is a leftist. Many of these pieces I just recited to you. But if you truly think it is just as likely that he is a leftist, why don't you read off five or six circumstantial markers that you think indicate this?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

What Internet people don't understand is that it's possible to not jump to a conclusion. It's easy in fact. Which is why I'm trying not to and asking for others to as well. You're asking me to argue for something I don't believe. I'm waiting for actual evidence. Not some vague shit or lies from Cox

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Totally agree. It's bizarre to see you get downvoted for not wanting to jump to conclusions. Do people here think we'll all suddenly turn maga if he is a leftist or that it serves us at all to be wrong about him? If anything I'm pushed away from this community seeing shit like this

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[–] Draces@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Where's the evidence he was? You're talking about his family but I want evidence he is maga before I can relax. He was registered to vote but not as a Republican and there's stories going around that he's in a relationship with a trans woman? That doesn't sound maga. But then again they're not really an internally consistent group and it wouldn't be the first time news outlets ran with fake trans stories so nothing I've heard is conclusive.

Do you actually have any evidence?

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[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 88 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

me: the fuck is a groyper?!?

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 54 points 2 weeks ago

Neo nazi shit heels from 4chan

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

From what I've been told: Nick Fuentes ~~fans~~cultists.

[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I thought it was a made up name for GOP-er aka a member of the republican party. Didnt realize it was more targeted than that. Also, i didnt know who nick fuentes is, so i guess ill count myself lucky

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 14 points 2 weeks ago

the name is widespread enough to have a wikipedia article

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago
[–] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Ok, I am not saying he wasn't, but would somebody mind explaining to me exactly why everyone is so ready to declare he is right-wing?

He's from a morman family, but that doesn't necisserily mean shit, the most left person I know was raised by mormans.

He also was saying Kirk was too hateful. That does not sound like words from a 4chan incel to me.

And the bullet casings were distinctly antifa, also seems like not a right wing nut to me.

I only ask because I am honestly concerned that the rhetoric around his politics is getting hijacked by people trying to make him a right winger to hide the fact that the left is not afraid to kill.

Edit: Thanks to everyone who took the time to explain what indicates he is a Groyper. And thanks in advance to any more info people share!

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 98 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

"Groypers" are what the followers of Nick Fuentes call themselves.

the shit written on the casings were references to memes they pass around in those circles, and there's other reasons, including his internet activity to say he was a Groyper.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Shits like a duck, it's prolly a duck.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's strange to me is the grandmother says they are all conservative, and the father says he got increasingly more into politics recently but doesn't distance himself from it by saying their political beliefs differed.

I would have figured he would want to point out their beliefs differed if they were going to apart of an ongoing investigation.

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 weeks ago

Supposedly the Fuentes lot had co-opted “Bella Ciao”, a classic and beautiful anti fascist song, for their own memes or whatever.

I listen to a lot of Knowledge Fight, where Fuentes is a recurring idiot, and haven’t heard of this there, but I am not a studious listener.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I hope you get another comment from someone who knows way more than I have picked up, but from what I can tell he apparently wore a Pepe costume and Nick Fuentes apparently was suggesting Kirk was a fascist. I'm not sure what Nick's actual politics are other than despicable, but apparently he didn't like how Kirk was doing fascism so I guess you can think Kirk is a fascist and support Fuentes. People are taking that and the furry aspect of the alleged engravings because apparently Fuentes fans lean into being furries. So overall it seems like a Pepe costume, furry reference, and fascist critiques are being interpreted by some to suggest groyper. Admittedly, I am not thoroughly convinced, but "If you're reading this you're gay LMAO" is some generic 4chan trash that I can't imagine any actual anti fascists would want to be tied to. Stranger things have happened though.

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Lefty ex Mormons absolutely exist. And I've met several here. But I think all of them, if they were being honest. Would absolutely tell you that they are the exception and not the rule.

4chan incells constantly say everyone who disagrees with them are too hateful because they push back against what the incells say.

The memes on the bullets weren't clearly antifa. As others have pointed out they're ironic cultural re-appropriations by fuentez's community. Precisely because it muddies things and implicates those they see as enemies. It's a common, fascist tactic to distort and dilute the meaning of things.

There's been nothing meaningful and verified found that implicates him as a leftist. No literature, no behavior.Or any meaningful indicators whatsoever. Just speculation from someone at Fox and “LOL memes“.

Don't get me wrong, there's been Some information possibly from the other side, such as the Photoshop of him in a Trump shirt that has been proven fake.

No one is trying to portray it as the left not being able to kill or commit acts of terror. Everyone is simply pushing back on clear, transparent, fascist propaganda to victimize innocent people. Justifying the violence, they're already committing. Had much of the media sphere and the President of the United States not already tried using this as a justification to continue attacking innocent people. I would agree with the caution on assumption of the kids political leanings. But, civilly pushing back against fascists is no vice.

[–] threeshortwords@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

He also was saying Kirk was too hateful

This information comes from a misquotation. One example of the story with this information has the full context:

Cox said that a family member of Robinson had told investigators that at a recent family dinner, Robinson had mentioned Kirk’s upcoming event at Utah Valley University, and “they talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” Cox said. “The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.”

Note that the family member is the one who said "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate." But it has been repeatedly misattributed.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I've been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he's a right winger.

Like, maybe we can't say for sure but to insist he's actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The billionaire class wants a class war against the worker class so they can further shift wealth and power to themselves, but they certainly aren’t going to fight it themselves, and they can’t have a proxy class-war without two sides to fight it. The only way to get two sides is to vilify the less-gullible side by duping the more-gullible side into fighting members of their own class on their behalf.

MAGA rubes are being manipulated into turning against their neighbors. And maybe the left are being manipulated too, maybe I’m too far left to see it.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The left definitely do have a problem with infighting. We can't even agree on the right way to go about unfucking things. Between accelerationists, revolutionaries and people who still hope for peaceful solutions, between tankies and non-authoritarians, between hardliners and diplomats...

You'd think we could all agree to focus on our common enemy, but whenever anyone suggests a course of action, the discussion quickly becomes laden with epithets and accusations of being a capitalist pawn in some way or other.

Hell, I fully expect someone to misconstrue this very comment as an attempt to undermine leftist goals in some way.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is there anything that is actually conclusive about what his views were? Like his social media accounts, his discord history?

[–] cookedonchems@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

None. There is zero definitive evidence of which side of the aisle he is on. The right wants him to be left and the left wants him to be right. Some on the right want justice, some want vengeance. Most on the left are celebrating either way, some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.

Then you have the people in the center of the aisle that just want to be left alone and don’t care. Both the left and right hates these people.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.

I just need to call this part out because it keeps getting repeated. I don't think hardly anybody thinks he deserved to die for his views. His actions, on the other hand, really get people's attention.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

And a fair chance he isn't on any side in particular. The team sports model of politics isn't everything...

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Imagine someone engraving bullets with "Heil Hitler" and doing salutes on his socials.

Is it conclusive proof he's a nazi? I guess not, but it's a pretty big fucking hint.

[–] resting_parrot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He didn't carve heil Hitler though. He carved anti fascist messages that have been co-opted by the far right to make fun of the left. The messages can be interpreted either way.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I guess taking photos where you recreate pepe the frog memes is all just a funny coincidence.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dunno about his socials (because really I couldn't care less who killed that piece of shit), but pretending the bullet engravings were anywhere near as clear as "heil hitler" would be can't be serious. It's more like if he had some random version of pepe engraved on them. Hints that he could be a groyper but by no means conclusive.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

His mother posted photos where he recreates groyper memes

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i honestly don’t care, i am celebrating either way.

[–] Una@europe.pub 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It was Serbian alien from planet Nibiru (whole universe is Serbian, God is serbian too) you don't believe me, ask Jovanka Jolić she knows everything.

[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Once again even on lemmy like every other social media, the point is not that anyone else has made up their mind on who he is. It's the right leading the charge on this. They decided they know exactly every detail of his life points to their radical far left evil bad. All while accusing others of the sin they commit.

There's no more point in even attempting discourse with the far right. I believe all you can and should do anymore is point out their meta-games. Do not wrestle with pigs. You're both covered in shit but the pig is enjoying it.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The only reliable thing is the truth so find it and stick with it. Ignore the rest.

I never spend a dime trying to keep up with bull and I'm not about to start, MAGA or not.

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