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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

This rally cry (to dismantle DHS) sounds exactly like the kind of popular policy position the Democrats always take when they are out of power. Then, when we give them the power to act, they refuse to implement it (usually in service of some nonsense like “mending”, “coalition building”, or “returning to normalcy”).

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yep, so if voting is still on the menu, we need to vote out the incumbent establishment dems who refuse to remediate these state terror programs.

Schumer and Jeffries won’t even support defunding ICE. Primary these dipshits while you still can New York!

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

Installing new politicians in the DNC will change nothing until those Junior members are confirmed to not be a threat to the current power structure they're not given any power that would threaten that power structure

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Bro, you can’t vote your way out of fascism. This is tyranny these are not normal times anymore normal things do not always apply for circumstances the courts the laws they’re not gonna save us. The sooner people realize that the sooner we can collectively do something.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Not even when they get in power.

Dems are already pushing back against people saying 'Abolish ICE'

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

Wealthy Democratic Party donors/leaders need the military in the streets putting down populist uprisings as much as Republican ones do. Often they are the same people.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because, let's face it, democrat and republican are two faces of the same coin.

[–] kablez@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It's the same model across the western world. Two party systems dominate because it's the easiest model for the oligarchs to control us with.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

We need a third Socialist Party

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Absorbed into the FBI and CIA.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Abolish ice, abolish palintir, abolish space x and demilitarize the police. Police should have a bachelor’s degree at minimum.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

DHS?

It's time to dismantle the USA.

Its at this point a failed state and it should just fall apart in 50 independent countries. About half of them (I'll leave it as as exercise to the reader to figure out which ones) will turn into Canada type counties with healthcare

The other will turn into 3rd world banana republics that won't be able to feed their own population while having constant coup'detats going on. After a few decades the world will intervene and install normal functioning democracies in those countries after outlawing religion there.

A woman can dream

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The world will interfere and fix them? Like who? Russia? China? Like everyone else intervened and fixed the middle east?

I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the usa.

The problem is the rich.

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Democrats will never dismantle an organization that they gain so much from. Prior to this year, the largest increases in federal funding to ice and the department of Homeland security have come from Democrats. Who else is going to do the record number of deportations for Democrats if it wasn't for ice and Homeland security? And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the one currently running things for Trump was running things for Obama.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

It's time to dismantle the Democrat party.

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[–] ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government, prosecute sex offenders, pedophiles, corrupt politicians and start over.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government

[–] Macallan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

He forgot to say what he would do to the billionaires.

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 days ago

Dismantle the DHS? Whoa there. Lets cool it with the antisemitism

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 18 points 4 days ago

It's given me Nazi Germanic creeps since the moment it was named the Department of Homeland Security.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (32 children)

And how are we going to do that? By asking politely? Waving more signs? Marches?

Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

If you want people to vote for us when there isn't a Republican in the White House then we need to push for leaders who

  1. Consistently tell people Republicans are bad people with bad ideas.
  2. Tell people creating ICE and DHS were Republican ideas and they need to be gotten rid of because Republicans have bad ideas.
  3. Tell people things were better back in the 90s before ICE existed because we didn't let Republicans' bad ideas ruin everything and we could just go back to what we were doing then.
  4. Publicly disown anyone who tries to campaign with Republicans or says anything positive about them.

Deviating from those things only loses us votes.

e; deleted something that was needlessly proactive

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 22 points 4 days ago

Read: There's no peaceful solution. Fascism in America has already reached critical mass. Start organizing before it's too late.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how people vote if none of their available options wants to do this.

Articles like this are how you get people to sell candidates that have this position.

I guess it's just easier to whine about shit though.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 4 days ago

There are some economic strategies too, but they would involve varying levels of self-inflicted pain. They also need significant coordination to be effective.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago

It's time to dismantle the government in general. The government (through ICE) are stifling people's liberties. It's time that the proletariat has a say. Seriously!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, Free Palestine!

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 4 points 3 days ago

Actually we're long overdue, the time to dismantle the DHS was the same day it was created.

[–] mar10sanch32@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

It's a war-time consolidation of power that has been irredeemably infiltrated & turned against the country's own residents. It can easily be dismantled l, with power distributed to competing agencies keeping each other in check, like it was for 200 years.

[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 8 points 4 days ago

But then who will protect us from those 20 guys with box cutters?

You remember, the ones they used as the excuse to establish the ministry of the interior.

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The day I can't vote is the day I take arms.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

That might be a little like "not using the fire extinguisher until the fire has spread into the living room."

Too little, too late. Trump is talking about suspendeding the midterms. Might be time to show some guns.

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