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Hey Mr President! I represent evangelicals, televangelists and scientology like Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, David Miscavige, etc.

We collectively call you out as a raping pedophile piece of shit living specimen who wouldn't dare come after our tax-free status. FUCK YOU!

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

Honestly, churches should have always stayed the fuck out of politics or lose their tax exempt status. Of course, that rule does not apply to the weepy Republicans, because the rules never do. They cry about "religious freedom", but want their cake and eat it, too, of course: the most radically right wing churches can say whatever the hell they want regarding telling their people how to vote and we all get to fund it, effectively.

Having the cake and eating it too is not an option for liberal churches, though.

[–] HermitBee@feddit.uk 7 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Honestly, churches should have always stayed the fuck out of politics or lose their tax exempt status.

Churches should never have had tax exempt status.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 3 minutes ago

honestly im not sure anything should have. You can deduct expenses so theoretically non for profits should not pay much anyway.

[–] TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 3 points 42 minutes ago

Fascist behaviour

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Fuck it, just deepfake all the pastors saying Trump is a pedophile. Get it going online and see if he melts down.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 points 37 minutes ago

This is a fascist country. That's fascist behavior. Welcome to the New Normal.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The churches that would call him out are likely the same few that actually do something to deserve their tax exempt status, like feeding the homeless.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No churches deserve tax exempt status. Why the hell should we rely on their kindness to feed the homeless when we can tax them and ensure the poor are fed?

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

By that logic, charities should not be tax exempt either. I agree that charity isn't the ideal solution to poverty, hunger, homelessness, etc. and we should be funding social welfare to solve those problems, but in the meantime people who are working to alleviate these issues should not be tax burdened. I don't like the religious exemption, but the 501(c)(3) exemption as a whole is a good thing.

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 2 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

There's an argument to be made that charities and other 501c3 organizations both entrench capitalism and normalize its failures to care for marginalized people, and/or that they also mostly exist to provide the wealthy with tax breaks through which they can fund pet projects, bypassing any democratic processes and ignoring what society actually needs.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago) (1 children)

Seriously...

Wow 😮 Really coming full circle fucking around threatening a church's tax exemption status because you don't like free speech. If he wasn't just a fucking dumbass narcissist, I would almost think he's being clever, but there is no way.

The religious right movement was born when the federal government took away the tax exemption status of Bob Jones University for refusing to desegregate. This would become the first (but certainly not the last) major case argued in court by the new right against the federal government on the grounds of religious freedom.

I really have to wonder if sometimes his sycophants give him really bad advice on purpose because they think it's funny that he's always too dumb to get the joke until it's too late to take it back.

Or maybe not and the fabric of reality has just torn. Heritage Foundation. The moral majority. Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump. Project 2025. This is literally where it all started:

The real origins of the religious right

They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.

In Green v. Kennedy (David Kennedy was secretary of the treasury at the time), decided in January 1970, the plaintiffs won a preliminary injunction, which denied the “segregation academies” tax-exempt status until further review.... Later that year, President Richard Nixon ordered the Internal Revenue Service to enact a new policy denying tax exemptions to all segregated schools in the United States. Under the provisions of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which forbade racial segregation and discrimination, discriminatory schools were not—by definition—“charitable” educational organizations, and therefore they had no claims to tax-exempt status; similarly, donations to such organizations would no longer qualify as tax-deductible contributions.

On June 30, 1971, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia issued its ruling in the case, now Green v. Connally (John Connally had replaced David Kennedy as secretary of the Treasury). The decision upheld the new IRS policy: “Under the Internal Revenue Code, properly construed, racially discriminatory private schools are not entitled to the Federal tax exemption provided for charitable, educational institutions, and persons making gifts to such schools are not entitled to the deductions provided in case of gifts to charitable, educational institutions.”

Paul Weyrich, the late religious conservative political activist and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, saw his opening. The Green v. Connally ruling provided a necessary first step: It captured the attention of evangelical leaders , especially as the IRS began sending questionnaires to church-related “segregation academies,” including Falwell’s own Lynchburg Christian School, inquiring about their racial policies. Falwell was furious. “In some states,” he famously complained, “It’s easier to open a massage parlor than a Christian school.”

One such school, Bob Jones University—a fundamentalist college in Greenville, South Carolina—was especially obdurate. The IRS had sent its first letter to Bob Jones University in November 1970 to ascertain whether or not it discriminated on the basis of race. The school responded defiantly: It did not admit African Americans.

Although Bob Jones Jr., the school’s founder, argued that racial segregation was mandated by the Bible, Falwell and Weyrich quickly sought to shift the grounds of the debate, framing their opposition in terms of religious freedom rather than in defense of racial segregation. For decades, evangelical leaders had boasted that because their educational institutions accepted no federal money (except for, of course, not having to pay taxes) the government could not tell them how to run their shops—whom to hire or not, whom to admit or reject. The Civil Rights Act, however, changed that calculus.

Bob Jones University did, in fact, try to placate the IRS—in its own way. Following initial inquiries into the school’s racial policies, Bob Jones admitted one African-American, a worker in its radio station, as a part-time student; he dropped out a month later. In 1975, again in an attempt to forestall IRS action, the school admitted blacks to the student body, but, out of fears of miscegenation, refused to admit unmarried African-Americans. The school also stipulated that any students who engaged in interracial dating, or who were even associated with organizations that advocated interracial dating, would be expelled.

The IRS was not placated. On January 19, 1976, after years of warnings—integrate or pay taxes—the agency rescinded the school’s tax exemption.

For many evangelical leaders, who had been following the issue since Green v. Connally, Bob Jones University was the final straw. As Elmer L. Rumminger, longtime administrator at Bob Jones University, told me in an interview, the IRS actions against his school “alerted the Christian school community about what could happen with government interference” in the affairs of evangelical institutions. “That was really the major issue that got us all involved.”

Weyrich saw that he had the beginnings of a conservative political movement, which is why, several years into President Jimmy Carter’s term, he and other leaders of the nascent religious right blamed the Democratic president for the IRS actions against segregated schools—even though the policy was mandated by Nixon, and Bob Jones University had lost its tax exemption a year and a day before Carter was inaugurated as president. Falwell, Weyrich and others were undeterred by the niceties of facts. In their determination to elect a conservative, they would do anything to deny a Democrat, even a fellow evangelical like Carter, another term in the White House.

The Bob Jones University case merits a postscript. When the school’s appeal finally reached the Supreme Court in 1982, the Reagan administration announced that it planned to argue in defense of Bob Jones University and its racial policies. A public outcry forced the administration to reconsider; Reagan backpedaled by saying that the legislature should determine such matters, not the courts. The Supreme Court’s decision in the case, handed down on May 24, 1983, ruled against Bob Jones University in an 8-to-1 decision. Three years later Reagan elevated the sole dissenter, William Rehnquist, to chief justice of the Supreme Court.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Thank you. I don't think xtian segregation academies are discussed nearly enough in the typical discourse.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 minutes ago

Omg to this day, school voucher programs are still linked up to heritage foundation spin offs and are such a fucking racket for this fucking cult.

https://www.nola.com/news/education/louisiana-la-gator-voucher-tv-ad-landry/article_f9af00c0-d067-44c2-9828-f48a58fd99af.html

To be clear, by cult I mean the "religious" right movement, not Christianity. There is nothing Christian about any of this. From the very beginning it has always just been a pyramid scheme to allow people to gain power and profit from the most despicable shit while claiming to do it all in the name of Jesus.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 hours ago

Do it, coward

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He just might accidentally do one good thing.

What a whiny little bitch.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

He only has one trick, bully.

[–] Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub 5 points 2 hours ago

As an Evangelical Scientologist Mormon I say, "Fuck that guy!"

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 hours ago

Review ALL of them. Make them prove their nonpolitical and nonprofit like every other charity.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

We collectively call you out as a raping pedophile piece of shit living specimen

Father Shanley would like a word.

Oh wait he got murdered in jail for being a raping pedophile piece of shit specimen.

Fuck their tax exempt status. A broken clock is right twice a day.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Shanley was released on parole from Old Colony Correctional Center in Bridgewater, Massachusetts, on July 28, 2017

Paul Shanley died of heart failure in Ware, Massachusetts, on October 28, 2020, at age 89

I hope it's a different father shanley

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Look evil can do the right and just thing if they think its punishment.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

Had me in the first half

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago

Is there some way we can make this more likely to occur? Maybe some AI videos of clergy calling him a shitty-pantsed child molester with small hands and short skyscrapers?

Seriously. Look, the piece of shit is in the oval office already, that ship has sailed. But we might actually have a good use for the cunt in this case. Let's make the most of it!

[–] Zier@fedia.io 93 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

All religions need to be taxed like the businesses they are.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 5 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

The problem with this is that there's no profit to tax.

I hate religion as much as the next guy but taxing a non-profit charity is nonsensical.

What you actually want is:

  • To discontinue any tax concessions for employees of the church.
  • Ensure benefits that employees receive are taxed.
  • Restrict religious organisations from conducting business-like activities: if they have a cafe then its profit should be taxed
[–] Zier@fedia.io 15 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Mega-churches make massive profits.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

And unfortunately those would not be the ones targeted.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You mean massive cash surpluses.

All that cash is legally required to be spent in the course of the churches objectives, which in almost all cases will be the furtherance of religion.

That means, the minister is restricted from using that money for personal things like holidays or boats or whatever.

Yes, mega churches provide celebrity ministers a lot of perks. Thats why I said this area needs stronger restrictions.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 3 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

That means, the minister is restricted from using that money for personal things like holidays or boats or whatever.

I assume the church can pay the minister a salary...are there restrictions on that salary?

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 37 minutes ago

Depends on jurisdiction.

It can be taxed like any other salary. Sometimes they enjoy some tax concessions.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

This is categorically untrue. Hiding profits doesn't mean they don't have them. That's just fraud. The mormon church, for example, has trillions invested.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

Same for Scientology.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 0 points 2 hours ago

This is demonstrably untrue. Swimming in literal profit pools like Scrudge McDuck is life.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

That's pretty similar to how it is.

I used to be a preacher. I paid taxes. Any facility space or property we rented to commercial companies (we had a psychologist who used a portion of our space during the week) was taxed.

The only real break we got versus other charities was that clergy can get a tax-freee home/apartment rental stipend if they aren't provided a personage. The idea there was that, for itenerant clergy, purchasing a home isn't realistic because they don't know where they'll live in a year. They can't take advantage of things like a mortgage interest deduction.

But my solution there is to open up tax exemption for all rent payers and to tax the living shit out of landlords to make them sell and open up housing inventory.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 31 minutes ago

I said this type of thing should be curtailed. Thats not the same as teaching churches because theyre like a business.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No profit? They literally tell their congregation to give them 10-20% of their earnings.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Thats income, not profit.

By definition, its all spent in the furtherance of the club / churches objectives.

If you and I form a dinner club and every week we chip in $50 and go out for dinner, the club has no "profit" we're just sharing the cost of our hobby.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but our dinner club isn’t selling anything, while a church is.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 32 minutes ago

Sure it is, our dinner club is selling great vibes.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 42 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Kenneth Copeland

Trump is evil, but this man remains the only person I’ve seen I’m convinced is an actual demon. Video of him sets off my fight or flight response so hard.

[–] unnamed1@feddit.org 15 points 8 hours ago

True. He does make people believe in spiritual things. Haunting, evil, possessed things.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh please let him actually do it. It would be one of the only positive things to come out of this toxic festering dung heap of an administration.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it will only be the helpful and tolerant ones. TST, UU, Episcopal, etc. The worst will be supported and amplified.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

I don't think he'd have the ability to target specific churches like that, he'd have to remove the blanket religious tax exemption so it would apply to all of them. I think the only way he could target specific churches is if he somehow got them reclassified as not religious institutions and I'm not sure how he would manage that. Doing that to something like the church of scientology is one thing, it's already on shaky ground, but trying the same thing on something like the Episcopal church is something else entirely. Unfortunately I could see him maybe succeeding at getting TST reclassified.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

All churches in America need to start praying for Donny’s demise, show us what your god can do…

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 30 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Might be a good post for /c/LeopardsAteMyFace

How did religious people ever think he wasn't just wrapping himself in the garb of piety to get elected? He was on tape talking about grabbing women by the pussy because 'when you are famous they just let you do it'! Before the LAST time he was elected. Sheesh.


And... Scientology, on the issue of tax exempt status, really? Wow. Criminals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Religious people (at least of the US-Christian variety) are conditioned from birth to believe what an authority figure tells them, despite what night contradict them.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 24 points 10 hours ago

The most religious of people seem to defer critical thinking to their leaders because it makes their brain too hurt to do so. They just want to be told what to do and what to think.

[–] Billy_fuccboi@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Social media is a powerful tool in the post-truth world

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