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[–] saturn57@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

I wonder how much of this applies:

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"You don't make authentic recipes from our country"

"You keep making our recipes"

I'm confused.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I guess the proper criticism would be that we stole their shit and bastardized it. I don't care, chicken alfredo slaps.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

I've been thinking about it, and I can only name 3 dishes that were uniquely created in the USA (so no General Tsao Chicken), that were not an old recipe with a changed ingredient because it's hard to get the original (so no Jambalaya), or were not just bigger sandwiches (so no Italian sandwich):

Gumbo.

Pumkin pie.

Buffalo wings (but I'm not sure if this can be called a dish, as its so simple its more like a snack, and its fast food).

If someone can think of more, please advise - I'm extremely curious.

Edit: Etouffe is also one.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

America does have its own style, though. Or rather a set of styles, just like any other region.

I would say that one aspect of "American-style" cooking (and "American" here includes "Canadian") is avoiding cooking. There's so many options when you don't really want to cook. Just stack some premade elements onto the premade bread and you've got a sandwich. Or stick a frozen dinner in the oven (with entire sections of grocery stores dedicated to the options). Or boil some premade dried pasta and mix with heated up premade sauce. Or just get someone to bring you warm food made by someone else.

Or for actual cooking, there's each of the variants in the OP meme. So many things that people complain about not being authentic, when it's actually just being cooked American style. Might be due to what ingredients are easier or cheaper to get, which style is easier to make, or just preference.

Pizza is a great example. I've had pizza that was described as "authentic italian" and personally I find it to be soggy and floppy compared to the pizza I normally eat. It's not bad, but I prefer the American style by far. At least in general, a poorly executed American pizza can still be gross, and a high end Italian pizza will probably still be more enjoyable than a mid end American pizza, but all else equal, I like pizza with crust that isn't saturated with sauce to the point of no structural integrity and toppings smothered in cheese.

Curry is another one that varies quite a bit by style. I like the Thai style (the curry is more of a soup than a sauce) the best personally, but don't think I've ever tried a curry I didn't like. It's a dish where you need to be more specific than "curry" to say what you have in mind.

The reality is that the vast majority of people have had as little to do with how their culture's cuisine has developed as anyone else, so the bragging or competitive comparisons don't really make sense. Same thing if there's any shame with being from one of the less prominent or made fun of cultures. I'm Canadian and while I love a good poutine, I had nothing to do with their invention.

Whether or not the dishes were invented in North America, I'd say that the following all are North American dishes (mostly based on my own upbringing in Southern Canada):

  • pizza
  • hot dogs
  • hamburgers + french fries
  • traditional thanksgiving dinner (turkey, stuffing, mashes potatoes, bread, cranberry sauce, etc)
  • eggs/bacon breakfast
  • various mayonaise + X sandwich salads (eg egg or tuna)
  • potato chips
  • steak/ribs bbq style
  • chicken wings
  • clam chowder
  • chicken noodle soup
  • chili
  • sloppy joes
  • casseroles
  • mac and cheese
  • grilled cheese sandwhiches
  • deviled eggs
  • loaded fries/baked potato
  • pasta and meat sauce

Today, my culture includes things like sushi and curry, too. Not to say I have any kind of ownership or special connection other than I enjoy eating them and make an effort to do so from time to time.

[–] Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Buffalo wings

...and the buffalos came " this close to extinction so that was almost one less dish.

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Grits

Also cornbread and corndog

Probably a lot of things with corn

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It depends on how you define "uniquely created in the USA".

Frybread has a rich and complex history within the USA, and I would argue it's very much "uniquely created in the USA" but most variations have a pretty much identical recipe to hungarian lángos.

Also a lot of USA food is very regional. Hawaii has a lot of unique foods, such as loco moco, spam musubi, etc. but would be unrecognizable to most USAians.

Teriyaki dishes are technically Japanese, but the Pacific northwest has taken the concept and run with it to the point where it's now it's own unique creation. It also has cheese zombies, jojos, Seattle dog, huckleberry everything, etc.

Southwest USA and Mexican have a lot of overlap but are also just as distinct with "Tex-mex" being it's own culinary thing. Puffy tacos, chili con queso, cornbread, cowboy caviar, nachos, etc.

Midwest, Alaskan, southern, east-coast, Puerto Rican, etc. all also have their own unique culinary traditions at this point with lots of micro-regional distinctions within them.

However, they aren't marketed, advertised or popularized in the same way that things like "Chinese food" is. Despite "American-Chinese food", like general Tsao, or orange chicken, being very much it's own genre that is unrecognizable as either traditional/old recipe USA or Chinese foods.

To discover many of these things you can't just "tourism" through but have to actually try to know and understand the people and places.

Conversely, it's not like Italian food stops being Italian due to its use of "new world" food stuffs like tomatoes, or pasta is any less "Italian" despite it just being Chinese noodles with a few changed ingredients.

If you insist on playing that game you'll find nothing is unique.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

spam musubi

That's sushi with spam. I wouldn't call that unique because how similar it is to any other sushi, its just an ingredient replacement. Now if the spam was specifically seasoned or prepared then yeah, it'd be a unique snack.

Frybread is basically hungarian lángos

And deep fried podpłomyk recipe is also very similar.

loco moco

I can't find anything like it, or from similar ingredients, so I'd call it unique. They are similar dishes, but either with more than 1 ingredient removed, or lacking the complexity.

cheese zombies, jojos, Seattle dog, huckleberry everything, etc.

Grilled cheese sandwich, potato wedges, hot dog with a different ingredient, huckleberry is an ingredient, not a dish.

Southwest USA and Mexican have a lot of overlap but are also just as distinct with “Tex-mex” being it’s own culinary thing. Puffy tacos, chili con queso, cornbread, cowboy caviar, nachos, etc.

Igredient replacement, literally not a dish but a dip, Native American, a bean salad, nachos are Mexican. Tex-mex I think is mostly one ingredient replacement. Literally you had a lot of beef and cheese and that's how you made Mexican recipes.

Midwest, Alaskan, southern, east-coast, Puerto Rican

Midwest and Alaskan, as well as east-coast, those three sound most promising. Can you maybe tell a bit more about them?

Southern is likely to be European cuisine with one ingredient replacement, Puerto Rico is famously a territory of the USA, but not a state :-)

pasta is any less “Italian” despite it just being Chinese noodles with a few changed ingredients.

Yeah, pasta is not a unique Italian dish. It was invented by so many cultures independently. Bolognese sauce on the other hand is, as I can't find any other similar dish that was invented independently from it. Do you see the distinction I'm looking for?

Edit: you might wonder why then I count pumpkin pie as a unique - the main ingredient changed, and you often add caramel and pecan pies on top, making it significantly different than other pies.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Spam musubi is identical to your pumpkin pie example, main ingredient changed and often with different sauces/sides/etc like spicy mayo, teriyaki or gravy. Either they're both unique or neither one is and, based on how you categorized everything else, nothing is unique.

Loco Moco is just egg curry with hamburger.

Gumbo is just bouillabaisse over rice.

Bolognese sauce on the other hand is, as I can't find any other similar dish that was invented independently

Tomato based meat sauce? That's just curry with some of the complexity removed.

Poutine nachos? Authentic Mexican food!

Also, think about what it means when you dismiss a food as "uniquely American" because it's "Native American" cuisine.

Midwest and Alaskan, as well as east-coast, those three sound most promising. Can you maybe tell a bit more about them?

I'm sorry to say, but there's nothing unique in any of those places either. Ambrosia is a standard fruit salad, Cincinnati chili is just spaghetti and hot dish is just shepherds pie. Sloppy Joes are just a ~~ragú~~ curry sandwich and corn dogs are tamales on a stick. Akutaq is just ice cream with an extra ingredient or two and birch syrup is "an ingredient, not a dish".

[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

There is nothing new under the sun......

I guess thats why gastro restaurants are using wild cooking techniques to come up with new dishes and flavours combos.

Foam?

But dishes most people cook in their own home have legacies reaching far beyond time.

Take the Pavlova. Legend has it that it came from the long long ago, in the mist of times of Australia, long before any NZ bastard tried to steal it from us.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 15 hours ago

My favorite part was Rick and Morty calling it out as sugar chicken.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Came from Italy and to be fair I didn't try too much American food, I guess some corn meal and pancakes, meat was really good; but the real greatest thing I found in the US is the HUGE sandwiches they make in the Publix supermarket. Great stuff, loved it.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 15 hours ago

Those sandwiches also come in regional variations up north. Grinders or Hoagies.

My wife took me to a local deli where she grew up in CT. I got a meatball sub.

The roll was from my finger tips to my elbow. it had 4 meatballs on it bigger each than my fist. It was around $12.

She got the same, but a pepperoni version with tomatoes and lettuce. Each one had to have been 5 lbs of meat.

In New Jersey I got a hoagie, the bread was so big, you couldn't close your grip around it using both hands

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe "American Food" should stop pretending to be from somewhere else, then we would respect (some of) it.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

I respect all food that's good. I wish everyone else did.

Food transcends borders, evolves, changes, gets better. Embrace it and love it.

Love Italian food with its tomatoes? Tomatoes are surprisingly recent in Italy.

A whole lot of foods we enjoy just evolved from different cultures meeting and getting better.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Fuck all of you. Go to New Orleans in a week when crawfish season starts and eat some mud bugs, some blackened redfish, jambalaya, gumbo, cajun crawfish etouffee, etc. Best food in the world.

Also, king cakes.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Out of all the dishes you mentioned, only Gumbo is a uniquely USA dish.

Jambalaya is an African recipe with an ingredient change to match what was available.

Mudbugs are eaten everywhere where they are present, and I personally think that Polis Zupa Rakowa is the best usage of that ingredient. If were talking about the mudbug boil, every cousine I know of that has access to them have similar recipe.

Blackened redfish is uhhh... Hot pan with spices to pretend its grilled (ingenious, but not a unique dish https://www.foodrepublic.com/1631780/origin-why-redfish-banned/)

Crawfish etouffee - huh, I think it's also an invention. The cooking method and igredients seem to be unique enough that its visibly distinct from any other similar dish that I know of and could check the recipe of.

Courtbullion on the other hand is too similar to French one that I would call it a variation, instead of an unique invention.

(Does that make sense? I'm not trying to diminish other foods but to showcase how unique Gumbo and etouffe are)

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That's a no for me. Although I do make a version of jambalaya with no seafood and extra spicy. I love the heat and the seasonings but I'll pass on crawfish, shrimp and anything else that filters shit as a food source.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago

So you won’t have vegetables either then

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

I'm a white boy but in highschool my best friend was 1st-generation Chinese-American.

His parents owned a Chinese restaurant that I worked at...Americanized Chinese, like everyone in America is used to.

While I worked there his parents also opened up an authentic Chinese restaurant.

Most of the stuff on the menu, Americans would ball at. There were dead ducks and pigs hanging in the window.

But I tried cow tongue there for the first time. It was amazing. And something else with white sauce I don't remember what it was but it was so damn good.

I had a falling out with him, and the parents lost their restaurants in COVID.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own. I think the difference with the US is that there isn’t an ancient history to form a basis.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

way to brush off thousands of year of native american dishes :/

[–] Urist@leminal.space 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In significant swathes of the US the natives were more or less successfully exterminated so there's no clear cultural line from ancient natives to the people living there today.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

This comment is an example of how that process continues. The original colonizers did their damnedest to try and erase those cultural lines and draw over them with their own.

Those cultural lines are faint, and per capita extremely weak, but that's why it's important to amplify them and highlight them when and where they exist instead of disregarding, ignoring and blurring them further.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

Stop it, you know what I mean. I’m talking European colonials which formed the basis for the modern US, even if it shouldn’t be that way. They stole Native American food too. The combination of these things formed the basis of “American” cuisine, but it wasn’t long ago in a historical sense.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own.

Perhaps more importantly, every generation remixes their parents' and grandparents' food.

French, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Mexican food aren't the same as they were 50 years ago. Lots of new dishes were invented and remixed, sometimes from imported influence. It's not like chefs sit around and refuse to do anything different from how they learned. They do invent and innovate and tweak recipes. That's, like, the job.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 3 points 15 hours ago

That is an interesting point and I want to add three cents to it.

Sometimes diasporas preserve the original recipes better than the country of origin. An example of it are some Polish dishes that were preserved closer to the original than in Poland, because when Poland was under USSR occupation there were severe food shortages and some recipes had to evolve or were literally forgotten.

(IIRC that was just a few cakes and pastries, but hey, it still happened!)

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 89 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (20 children)

Fusion kitchens are the best and maybe the only good thing to come out of colonialism. Indonesian-Dutch food slaps. Vietnamiese-French cuisine kicks my ass. Must I bring up Italian coffee or Swiss chocolate? Turkish-German Döner is so popular it is sold basically everywhere now.

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