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Funny how many Conservatives seem happy enough to go the party that is supposedly full of “woke leftists”. Almost as if the Liberals are actually conservatives, have been for a while, and too many of us are too stupid to have seen it.
Glad we nuked the NDP again for this!
The Liberals aren't woke leftists. Nor are they MAGA conservatives. They're just sorta center, increasingly conservative but not particularly extreme. Not my ideal party but compared to what other countries have been electing I'd say it's kind of a relief.
Ya’ll need to pay attention, then. They’re stripping back environmental protections “for the economy” and selling our shit to private companies, laying people off in a time when it’s already incredibly difficult to get jobs, and tried to help Air Canada by butting into the flight attendant strike to make it illegal and we’re all lucky that it didn’t work. “Elbows up” lost steam immediately and then we just fell in with China instead. So much of the good they did the last time was the NDP making them do it while Canadians bitched about the NDP “not doing anything”. They’re not “increasingly conservative” they are just conservatives and they are less and less afraid of showing it each cycle.
I’m so beyond over lazy, relativistic politics. Who the hell cares if they’re better than worst from other countries when we literally have a better party right here?
There are very real reasons why someone would vote for Carney Liberals over Poilievre Conservatives, and indeed liberals over conservatives in general. It's intellectually dishonest and frankly does a disservice to yourself to overlook or dismiss these simply because you don't understand them.
For example, marginal harm matters. Even if both parties serve capital, they’re not identical in courts, rights, climate policy, labor enforcement, etc. Also, time horizons matter. “Build the NDP” is a long-term project; “prevent a worse 4 years” is a short-term project and there is little doubt that Carney is the best person for the short term project (and perhaps the best person for economic restructuring in general). Most people are capable of rationally doing both short term and long term planning and decision making. And also, finally, coalitions in our government are a reality. In Canada, minority/parliament dynamics make “vote + apply pressure” a real lever. Treating all “lesser evil” as pure self-sabotage ignores that. Many Liberal voters can acknowledge the value of the NDP while also acknowledging their shortcomings. Many Liberal voters have voted NDP in the past when it made sense strategically.
And how is the NDP supposed be built if we keep not voting for them? Are they supposed to just do a bunch of work for free for a few decades? They basically already have, and they simply got loss of official party status as a reward for that.
The Liberals aren’t just boring, they’re actively harmful. I don’t want Poilievre anywhere near power either but I’m not so naive as to believe that this battle is over, or even progressing, just because we sacrificed our values again. They’ve become very close to the conservatives we were all supposed to be afraid of back in 2021, and their trajectory is that they’re getting worse, not better. If the Liberal voters are so wise, should they not be acutely aware of this fact?
You even admit that coalitions work and, I imagine, understand that the NDP used their leverage to get Canadians things that we needed when the Liberals weren’t going to on their own. They fight for us even when they aren’t in full control. How are they supposed to form a coalition without having any seats?
It’s always “now is not the time” with you lot. It’s cowardly and weak. You’re right that it’s going to take time, so we better start now if we want to see any change in the future. Yes, it will suck for a moment, but do you really believe that the solution is to make endless excuses every single election cycle?
And also, finally, coalitions in our government are a reality. In Canada, minority/parliament dynamics make “vote + apply pressure” a real lever.
A-fucking-men to that. It frustrates me to no end that people (conservatives) don't understand that that's precisely how a minority goverment is supposed to function.
You'd watch Pierre Poppinfresh get on his stump about "collusion" between the NDP and the Liberals like it's some kind of conspiracy when in reality it's just how shit gets done. Negotiation and compromise.
The conservative party (at least those that are on the MapleMAGA spectrum) have a binary view of governning; if they're not the ones in power, they would rather not contribute to the government by negotiating and having a hand in shaping policy, because doing so would give the Liberals a "win" and that is anathema to a modern hard-C Conservative.
So instead of actually actively taking part in government, they stump around shouting at the other parties that do.
The NDP have a good platform, ticks my boxes, but they seem kinda incompetent to me.
And they constantly in fight and bicker over who gets to ride the highest horse.
I'm glad we nuked the NDP. Not for this but for a leftist renewal that was impossible under Jagmeet.
The NDP nuked themselves.
What’d they do to nuke themselves? The only complaints are “they don’t do anything” even they did a lot even just as the other member of a coalition government during the Liberal’s last run, and people also say they aren’t charismatic enough but I never once got the feeling that Trudeau was particulary charismatic and we just elected a boring banker who is even more boring now. Why the double standard all the time? Why do they need to be 100% perfect just to still get thrown aside but the Liberals get to be all kinda of fucked and we still consider them some kind of “default” party?
What’d they do to nuke themselves?
by effectively folding themselves into the Liberal Party and by infighting like incompetant children.
The fuck are you talking about? They formed a coalition so they could represent their constituents and force the Liberal party to be at least somewhat useful. That’s what governments should be and it’s why minority governments are such a good thing. If you hate the Liberals so much that you don’t want the NDP near them then what the hell is your real position trying to claim we shouldn’t be voting for the NDP and then, I imagine, should be voting for the Liberals?
And then they get in trouble for working with the Liberals and they get in trouble for not being a homogenous blob, too? You don’t have a real stance, your brain is fucking mush, and nothing you’re saying is backed by any kind of true critical thought. Embarrassing.
Labels are stupid, though.
That area of Edmonton has never voted in a Liberal, and now they are Liberals. I'm sure his constituency loves it.
Conservatives are dumb as hell, they probably don’t even realize that they’re getting the same ideology they used to vote for just under a different name.
If I could magic one seemingly small thing into the world it would be to make everyone think just a tiny bit more about what they were doing. It would be to make them vote honestly and in alignment with their ideology and not based on their past choices or party branding.
Who cares, Carney will give Jeneroux a Senate appointment if he loses next election.
Are people really this naive about floor crossers?
The article has the wrong thumbnail.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-matt-jeneroux-resigns-9.6970100
As the article points out, this is the same Matt Jeneroux that said he was going to resign last fall. Is he takeback-ing it before committing to an official end date, cancelling the by-election? From the November article:
Jeneroux later clarified that his "exact date of departure will be determined at a later day," but suggested it would be "this spring."
It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say for himself.
"Those conversations [with his family over the holidays] have been honest, difficult and deeply personal at times. But they also led me to reflect on the gravity of the moment that our country is living through — which our prime minister addressed head on in his speech at Davos. For Canada, this is a moment that demands steady leadership, constructive collaboration between all parliamentarians."
"After further reflection with my family, and conversations with colleagues and constituents, I will be continuing to serve in Parliament — and I will be working with Prime Minister Mark Carney as a part of his new government to help build our country’s strength as we face the challenges ahead."
Damn, Carney's legendary speech still changes lives!
Not only did he blow a 30 point lead, but he hands Carney a majority because he can't keep his own party together.
You really pickem, Alberta.
However, I have a real problem with any MP that switches parties, because they were not elected to do that. Jeneroux should be free to switch, but only after winning a by-election.
I would be pissed if a guy I voted for fell in love with the PPC.
I don't have a real issue with floor-crossing, since it's true to the principle that you're supposed to vote for the principle, not the party.
But it's pretty tough to deny that that's simply not the way most people vote.
It's less "pick", and more "always vote mindlessly for the candidate presented", if you're thinking of Battle River-Crowfoot. And they complained bitterly about the old guy being forced out.
Poilievre is a product of Ontario politics, otherwise.
Poilievre is a product of Ontario politics
He was turfed out of Ontario. He would be gone were it not for Alberta.
Yeah here down south it's become a right wing tactic to run as a progressive then switch to fascism. It's really bad for democracy to permit, though the alternative is to encourage people to just stay in their party but not vote like it
~~If I'm not mistaken, this makes it a liberal majority doesn't it?
I kind of liked that the Greens held the balance of power so I'm a little disappointed here.~~ nvm seems they'd still be 1 short.
They're still three seats shy, thanks to the resignations of Blair and Freeland, and the Supreme Court overturning Tatiana Auguste's election.
The first two are safe seats, though. OP might get their wish, barring more crossings soon.