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Feels like the first step before the concentration camps

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 148 points 1 week ago

Trans rights are human rights. The fascists can get fukt

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 145 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”

What the actual fuck? This is pure bigoted Nazi shit.

[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ikr? Trans people want to be part of society, not destroy it.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To these people any society with trans people in it is a destroyed society since their society is trans exclusionary.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Trans are just the the first of an ever-expanding group of others to be targeted, including pretty much everybody in leadership in the party right now. I think it is pretty safe to assume that dear leader, whomever it is, we'll become as paranoid as Joseph Stalin and anybody in leadership now will be suspected and purged if they get what they think they want here.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wonder if they ran that language through AI before putting it in writing?

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The provided definition of "Nihilistic Violent Extremism" is indeed written in a way that could be interpreted broadly and applied subjectively. This is a characteristic that has been used historically for political and social control.

  • Vagueness of Key Terms: The phrase "hatred of society at large" is an abstract concept, not a concrete, verifiable action. It's an internal state, a motive, that could be attributed to a person or group by an outside observer. This vagueness, similar to the Nazi's use of "enemies of the state" or "asocial," allows for a wide range of individuals to be targeted, including those with different political views or lifestyles, not just those committing specific, violent acts.

  • Risk of Arbitrary Application: When legal or official definitions lack specific, objective criteria, they open the door for arbitrary and discriminatory application. The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn't designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime's agenda. Similarly, a definition based on an internal "hatred" could be used to target and punish dissenters or political opponents by labeling their criticism of society as "hatred."

  • Focus on a Perceived State, Not a Crime: The definition frames the group by a state of being—"hatred"—which is then linked to a desire for "collapse." This is a similar pattern to Nazi propaganda, which didn't just target what Jews or communists did, but what they were. They were defined as a parasitic race whose very existence was a threat, a view that was independent of any specific criminal act. The provided edict, by focusing on a group's emotional state and desired outcome, creates a label that can precede and justify action against them.

This type of broad, subjective language in legal and official definitions is a common feature of authoritarian or repressive systems. It allows the ruling power to define its enemies based on fluid criteria and to legally justify their persecution.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn’t designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime’s agenda.

This is incorrect. Paragraph 175 was always designed to prosecute gay sex, and was enforced even during the Weimar Republic. What the Nazis did was expand it - you didn’t have to have sex with a man, just do something that might lead to sex with a man. Essentially, gay men could have gotten away with holding hands or even kissing in earlier eras, sex needed to be proven. But the Nazis made it essentially any gay behavior.

Paragraph 175 continued to be enforced after the Nazis were kicked out - it stayed on the books in West Germany essentially unchanged until 1969. After ‘69 it was changed to only apply to sex with men under 21 or prostitution.

Gay men who were liberated from the camps who had charges under Paragraph 175 were often sent back to finish their sentences. The handbook for the Allies mandated this.

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[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Snowflake shit

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me


Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

In order to understand the meaning of that poem, you have to understand class solidarity and that's something that neither Republicans nor Democrats have any comprehension of

[–] RaoulDuke@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

-Martin Niemöller

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[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You wanna know what creates extremists? Bullshit like this. It's self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 63 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Agreed. I don't see many other ways out anyways.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Israel didn't come up with it themselves.

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[–] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

This is so fucking unbelievably fucked.

We should be fucking rioting and burning shit down.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Trans people do not have the privilege to do those things right now. It will only further the hateful rhetoric. It is up to the supposed "allies" to step up.

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

They've been telegraphing this punch since Trump's first term. Disgusting, but hardly surprising.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The group defines “TIVE” as “the belief that violence is justified against people who oppose [the trans community],” as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety, including through self-harm or suicide.”

What an insane redefinition of “self defense.” Violence isn’t justified…unless you are being targeted, harmed, or killed, which many trans or NB people are. It’s absurd to preemptively label self defense as “violence.” It’s cart-before-horse, intentional PR spin to dehumanize a subset of human people. One species, all human.

The administration will need scapegoats when its policies fail. They’ve laid this ground work for years now. They want justification for violence through violence themselves in this mental gymnastics.

It’s the Heritage Foundation, which might as well be called “Propaganda Hut.” Let me guess: more divisive, American-dividing ideas? Yes, Heritage, let’s keep pushing tribal behavior to encourage class war while the rich destroy the planet and their fellow humans.

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nazis went after trans people, burned trans related books.

Nazis are going after trans people, burning trans related books.

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[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They are getting all Kirk’d up. This will create so many more Luigi’s. Things are going to get violent quick. They actually want a civil war don’t they, so they can use any petty justification to kill any opposition. No one is safe except the boot lickers.

[–] Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 16 points 1 week ago

Apparently not, as Kirk was one of the biggest bootlickers.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Because every trans person I’ve ever met isn’t just trying to make it through the day like the rest of us and are causing all kinds of violence and social unrest.

These chucklefucks sure like their boogeymen to rile people up.

Maybe they should look into these gravy seals/meal team 6 folks with their tacticool gear larping as military badasses if they wanna find actual problem groups.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Jesus fucking Christ! If someone should be regarded at terrorists, it's the current administration. Stay safe, my friends.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (26 children)

But I couldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t spend enough time talking about her policies.

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[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The Heritage Foundation is once again pushing a hateful act designed to hurt a large number of innocent people. It's basically their MO.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A little off subject but PBS just allowed some Heritage Foundation hack to come on and lie, right after they allowed some Israel partisan to come on and lie to justify their final solution, right after one of their own correspondence endorsed Israel's lie about Hamas operating out of hospitals. PBS was never that bad before.

I wonder what happened to PBS all of a sudden that caused them to give up?

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

As a self identifying long-time staunch nihilist...

... What?

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They are copying their critics that have taken to accusing the polit and biz owner class and them specifically of believing in nothing. Morality means nothing, only self interest. Entire generations of "leaders," that have no morals, no line they would not cross for self interest.

So naturally they accuse others of it.

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is just so obvious, isn't it?

The only people who support this or think it's normal, are people at the bottom of the bell curve. The extremely unintelligent, uneducated, deeply indoctrinated.

You've got to be borderline mentally handicapped to not see this as nonsense.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

Let's not do that. This is a question of moral character, not disability.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m a terrorist. I’m a leftist, anti-fascist, and I think trans people should have civil rights and be undisturbed.

Actually that might make me a double terrorist.

[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago

I used to joke that my views could be deemed terroristic, didn't expect to see it be a real thing, thank fuck I have zero interest in stepping foot in America.

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[–] FoxyFerengi@startrek.website 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Weird, all I've ever heard about is how high the suicide rate is among trans people, nothing about murder rate.

Also weird to consider "trans rights are human rights" to be nihilistic (Political belief or action that advocates or commits violence or terrorism without discernible constructive goals)

Edit: I meant as in trans people murdering other people. Trans people are overwhelmingly victims of violence than perpetrators

[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's nearly finished colouring in his how to be a fascist dictator book.

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No-voters, you contributed to this.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Trans folks should consider getting the fuck out of this shithole country before it's too late

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Trans, people with disabilities, minorities, and homeless people are the first ones that will be executed. Then they'll move on to other groups.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Rekease the epstein files you lying fascist bastards

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[–] C4551E@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

any trans people in the US that haven't already applied for asylum elsewhere should be doing so now. Hopefully it's not too late

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately, they are being denied asylum on account of not being murdered in the streets en masse.

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, Matt Drudge, of all people, projected this months ago that this was going to happen and spoke out against it.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do you designate an entire demographic as terrorists? This is the lowest form of stupidity.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's not stupidity, it's evil.

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[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Trump administration is preparing to designate transgender people as “violent extremists” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, two national security officials tell me.

So not from a report, but from "sources"...

I tell ya, I feel really bad for trans people. They are either being scared of actual nutjobs, or grifters are making shit up for worthless internet points, that just as scary. Everywhere you look, people are using trans people as some chip to play in the on going culture wars. Maybe its time to move on and leave Trans people out of it, and stop using them for point scoring and uparrow farming...

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