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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 2 hours ago

Hopefully, the Democratic Party will go the way of the Whigs, and take Newsom with them. I want a genuinely good party whose mission is to overhaul America in all ways. UBI, a renewed Constitution, universal healthcare, the extinction of ICE and border patrol with minimized police, ect.

The America we have is a sick creature, that cannot be saved by Geronocrats.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

He's rather brazenly pro-Israel. That is not a winning strategy for a Democratic candidate. Israel lost the public referendum, with something like a single-digit % of Democratic voters supporting the genocidal state. Time to accept this and move forward.

AIPAC and none of that shit matters if a significant segment of your voting base will outright reject you.

[–] Fourth@mander.xyz 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Friend I don't give a fuck I just don't want to live in hell anymore. I'm going to be first in line slamming my fist on the table for a progressive but apparently we need to be at Gavin Newsom before we can ask for a progressive. Lemmy and Current Affairs isn't the average American. We suck. That's abundantly clear to me now. You know what? If Mandani or similar figure was running for president I'm all in. I'm all in on that no matter what. I'm in for the most progressive candidate at all times. Unfortunately right now I just need to not be under threat of everything completely falling apart and not being fixable. Maslow's hierarchy I need that first foundational level to build my pyramid on. I don't necessarily mean this to convince anyone, sometimes you just have to yell into the void because it all feels so bad.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Damn, .ml is starting their crap early. They already got trump back in, now they are working to get more of the GOP in power by fomenting infighting....reruns suck.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 hours ago

The path to progressivism does not run through assholes like Gavin Newsom. "Lesser-evilism" has brought us to Trump!

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

CLOSE ENOUGH. for fuck’s sake if you wait for perfect you’ll get stuck with shit like trump again.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Damn this comment section reads like it's sponsored by the Newsom 2028 campaign.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

History repeating.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 hours ago

Maybe he's not a progressive, but it's great to finally see a prominent Democrat loudly opposing Trump. Too many are obsessed with undermining their own party while letting the US go to hell.

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 hours ago

I don't give a shit. Anyone effectively getting under the skin of that demented pedophile should be encouraged to do so. Fuck these purity tests.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 hours ago

Nope he’s not. But he’s not as bad as trump.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 26 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

You Americans don’t learn, constantly punching left, nobody is good enough to be an ally. While the right is unified and eating your lunch

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He's not on the left though. He only ran as a dem because he is in California and Republicans have no chance there

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Can you show your work on this?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 3 points 6 hours ago

Punching Newsom is punching up. Telling voters they are wrong to criticize him in regards to economics, Zionism, LQBTQ rights, and social safety nets IS punching left.

This is true to an extent, but when you look at the history of the moral majority (new right movement) and what actually unified the right, it should give you some context about how the Dems aren't really doing themselves any favors by distancing themselves from progressive values. The right were always willing to offer some concessions to what were once considered fringe voters (and now is essentially the base of the Republican party) in exchange for their vote.

I say this as someone who is almost always willing to vote blue no matter who, continuously catering to the wealthy and failing to follow through on promises is going to be the nail in the coffin for Democrats (and possibly American democracy in general). Midterms will probably be their last chance to get it right (if we're even allowed to vote) and they are definitely not off to a good start by giving the cold shoulder to Mamdani.

It's very hard to battle voter apathy and "both sides" disinformation when Democrats will not even acknowledge that much of what progressives are asking for is pretty reasonable. Establishment Dems seem to believe once they're accused of cultural marxism (which btw is a term that was popularized by the same people that created the moral majority/new right) they will lose centrists voters that might help them gain an edge over the competition. Meanwhile they seem to be oblivious to all the support on the left that they're absolutely hemorrhaging.

Some of that support is going to the right (and those are the people Gavin Newsome seemed really be worried about reaching with his podcast that "reached across the aisle" to some absolutely vile people), but a big chunk is being lost to people who just no longer see a point in bothering to vote for an establishment that seems to intentionally exclude and dismiss them.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

The USA does not need a progressive rn. It needs someone who can stop the fascists. Newsom has the best chances of doing that.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

This sort of dipshittery is exactly why the democratic party keeps trotting out center-right nobodies that fail to energize their base, and why actual progressives like Mamdani are doing so well despite widespread attempts by the left AND right to pretend he's not.

To be as polite as possible on the matter? Shut the fuck up, and take your lies elsewhere.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

And Newsom is stopping them by?

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

This is absolutely the right way to steer this ship. We don’t need perfect. We just need a winner. From there, we can work towards perfect.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

No he doesn't. He would lose

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Prager? Is that the Prager U guy?

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 20 points 13 hours ago

He might not be a progressive but he's not a Russian cum rag, so speaking as a member of a (for the moment) allied country, he is lightyears ahead of your current guy.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

He only looks good compared to the opposition.

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