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submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de to c/memes@lemmy.world
 

Context: in classical Greece, Sparta built a hegemony based on its military power that was formed around a core of professional hoplites, which was rare at the time as most military campaigns were fought by part time soldiers who were mainly farmers, handymen, etc.
This hegemony was broken when in Thebes the Sacred Band of Thebes was formed, consisting of 150 gay couples who became professional soldiers, too. These 300 (coincidence? Idk, but I find it funny) elite warriors were instrumental in two major defeats an outnumbered thebian army handed to Spartans who encountered another professional military for the first time.
The Sacred Band being made up of gay couples was intentional, as the idea behind it was that men would fight harder for and with other men they had a strong bond with and there was no stronger bond than love.

Idolizing spartan warrior culture is widespread among "alpha males" and the manosphere. Another funny irony that followers and propagators of such a homophobic idiology idolize a culture that was defeated by an explicitly gay warrior unit.

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Bonus fact: there was a lot of homosexuality in the Spartan armies too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 75 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If Andrew Tate is such a tough guy, why is he so focused on women? A real alpha male would go after strong men, not like those pussy loving straight guys.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Spartans were also gay.

[–] DarkDinner@quokk.au 32 points 3 days ago

And practiced child rape as a core part of their social structure... Same as Americans.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Well its not gay if youre on top, according to sources at the time. Giving a fucking was manly, but taking a fucking was feminine.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

all that tradition, destroyed by one innovation:

THE POWER BOTTOM

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Rome came much later.

The mindset is actually still alive today. A lot of central and south american countries still have this mindset due to Portuguese and Spanish influence over the centuries. I watched a documentary years back talking about the history and origins of machismo in Latin culture.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Simpler times

[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Like they would accept historical facts and not the bullshit they make up on the spot.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I am totally out of the loop on the manosphere but do they really adore spartans? I think they adore the americanized movie version, sure, but do they like actually learn from real Spartan history because there would be truly a lot of homosexuality involved then

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Of course they're talking about not only the American version, but even that twisted to fit their own ideals.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I bet Epstein and his followers, loved Spartans... Oh wait, they do....

[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 24 points 3 days ago

He hates women so much, he's turning gay...

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I know. I put those words there.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"ALPHA MALES" WHEN WHEN THEY'RE TOLD THEIR FANTASY SPARTAN ROLEMODELS WHERE DEFEATED BY A UNIT OF ELITE GAY WARRIORS

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a boomer inspired meme that is now viral. They think it's funny. Ignore it.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

well, explaining jokes makes them more funny

so maybe they’ll appreciate me pointing this
this out

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes I know. I put that meme in there on purpose.

[–] SnowmenMelt@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So why ? the comment that noticed it?

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 days ago

I wasn't sure they got the meme or thought this was an accident and I didn't want to be too in the nose, so I wanted to drag this out a little to be sure.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

mission accomplished

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, the Sacred Band of Thebes was a military unit.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Didnt the Spartans famously practice homosexuality as a way of strengthening bonds between soldiers? The reasoning being that you'd fight extra hard for the guy next to you if you were lovers.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 6 points 2 days ago

They, and ancient Greek soldiers in general, also took young boys "under their wings" oh and had sex with them. Because humanity is deeply, horribly fucked up.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Where defeated?

There, defeated! There, castle!

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

Dang, missed that.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 2 days ago

As always, the alpha got mogged by a figglebottom

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

What's manlier then two men? Besides increasing multiples of men, of course.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago

There is more:

by Plutarch's account, this included sexual violence by hēbōntes against paides,[2] while Xenophon says the relationships were widely but wrongly considered to be sexual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoge

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Wait until they find out about the Spartans.

OH DEAR

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The Spartans were all gay or bi too.