Shouldn't the process be to have the houses built and then have people move into them? Not to have people create demand and only then play catch up and build a place for them to live?
Very boomer coded housing as a commodity mindset.
What's going on Canada?
🍁 Meta
🗺️ Provinces / Territories
🏙️ Cities / Local Communities
Sorted alphabetically by city name.
🏒 Sports
Hockey
Football (NFL): incomplete
Football (CFL): incomplete
Baseball
Basketball
Soccer
💻 Schools / Universities
Sorted by province, then by total full-time enrolment.
💵 Finance, Shopping, Sales
🗣️ Politics
🍁 Social / Culture
Rules
Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage: lemmy.ca
Shouldn't the process be to have the houses built and then have people move into them? Not to have people create demand and only then play catch up and build a place for them to live?
Very boomer coded housing as a commodity mindset.
Eh. I don't think we need to bring generational conflict into this. The federal and provincial governments had much more progressive housing policies from the 1950s to 1990s. Austerity gave housing to the private sector. We should definitely take that back.
But at a minimum, if we're gonna be playing catch-up like this, CMHC, BCH, and provinces should be providing financing and making it happen.
from the 1950s to 1990s
I'm going to guess you are a young person? Those years encompass policies that were absolutely abysmal for Canadian housing. Political embroilments with the USA's foreign policies in the 70s cut back on housing initiatives, severe economic belt-tightening in the 80s, backlash against immigration in the late 50s and well into the 60s. The CMHC itself was founded on ignoring the Curtis report in 1941 and giving most control of housing provision to the private sector instead of focussing on low- to middle- income housing.
If you're going to be interested in housing history in Canada, you should look at the complete picture. Free market pressure created this situation, policy only followed it.
I'd love to read more about it, can you point me at a link? Most of what I've read has been from Wikipedia, which suggests that federal and provincial governments made an effort to build housing, and, at various times, reduce the cost of housing, and promote home ownership.
From the wikipedia article on the cmhc:
Evidently, rather than focus on low-income housing, the federal government instead initiated a post-war program between 1944 and 1945 that promoted home ownership and private enterprise.
We've been fighting this struggle on private vs public housing for a long time, and it is simply because we kept in step with the way our southern neighbours do things.
Now, I want to be clear that I support socially irresponsible, state-sponsored housing, and I do think we've been lucky in Canada to benefit from a pretty good system overall. I am a to believer that Finland is going things correctly by addressing housing head-on.
I just commented because I don't want ppl to think that "the good old days" in Canada were perfect.
Turns out the economists "free market" nonsense was really religion all along. A pragmatic government will step in and fill the gaps in a practical Canadian mixed market approach. Carney almost gets it, when it come to defense. I don't see him as the man to bring back solid Canadian policies of the days of yore.
No, it's a start, but you're probably right, he won't take it far enough to bring back the hybrid solutions that made this country a G7 nation, let alone advance it into the future. Still, managing the decoupling from the US is a strong start. We'd never get anywhere with them basically having veto power over our entire economy.
A pragmatic government will step in and fill the gaps in a practical Canadian mixed market approach. Carney almost gets it, when it come to defense. I don't see him as the man to bring back solid Canadian policies of the days of yore.
Definitely not. He remembers the good ol' days of the free trade tide raising all boats and wants to get back on that bandwagon.
Like you say, a mixed market approach seemed to work before, and it may work again. It'd be great to see more tax law improvements to cheapen construction for multi unit dwellings, and more tax write-offs/financing for non-market builds like coops. But that's not Carney's bag.
Tax isn't the problem.
Private housing is failing because its not a free market. Zoning prevents density, permitting and approvals cause large costly delays, developer fees have risen thousands of percent, we have greenbelt now that prevents large swathes from being developed. What can public housing do against Nimbys and municipals that secretly dont want density because it might lower property values or add congestion?
The NDP and Liberals are clearly willing to label anyone a racist who goes against immigration, but they seem to also be fine with putting these same people 20 to a basement, which sounds more racist to me.
If we're gonna leave home construction to the private sector, the federal and provincial governments at least need to manage it. This isn't a surprise. Our governments should be offering low interest loans if they insist on outsourcing service provisioning to developers.
A better solution would be direct construction or financing, a la CMHC after WWII. Here's hoping Build Canada Homes manages to get more than 4k houses built this year.
There has also been a slowdown in investor activity in the housing market, which would be a drag on home building this year, he said.
...
Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. last month reported the agency’s six-month moving average for annual starts declined 3.5 per cent for the fourth consecutive month.
Housing growth that is led by investment strategy is always going to favour higher margin options, which means a focus on higher end homes. To have low cost, affordable housing, government supported public ownership is almost always necessary, then it is fine to let the high margin developers chase bucks not justice.
Housing is a right. It is a common responsibility, corporations are exempt from larger responsibilities like this, and whenever the barter zoning approach is used, like amenities for building rights, developers mostly fudge or shirk. They don’t care about that, they have one priority.
So yes, bring back the well-proven, successful economic stimulus and social stability of public housing, whether through a revitalized CMHC or more modern systems. Long history of mismanagement and successful management practices from around the world to draw from.
Here here!