I'm tired boss
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I wonder how long models will stay stable if the code they're trained on becomes increasingly ai generated
I have tried installing and running a huge variety of games, using Lutris, over the years. Multiple distros too.
None of them have ever worked. Not a single one.
Turns out GloriousEggroll who is best known for Nobara and GE-Proton is defending this shit as well.

Come on, is there anything that's safe?!
This kind of thinking is what makes billionaires who back AI companies to keep increasing their investments in AI Capex, while leaving others with nothing but increasingly expensive parts and damaged environments.
It's really hard to argue against that final paragraph though for real. These are free time projects that people spend time on for the benefit of others. I dunno. Food for thought?
Actually you can refute that argument since the main dev defends Anthropic as a good guy compared to other AI companies. As we know Claude being used by Pentagon in the war with Iran. But shouldn't use that, it will drag into unnecessary argument war, since they have set in mind to use AI generated-code.
And that leaves us with no choice but to use alternatives, as they have removed AI co-authorship.
It's not a good situation right now, definitely. I do not condones using AI at all, but I definitely understand why people tend to resort to it if they have limited time and want to spend it on other things but still want to give their time and effort for free to the community.
Hiding it from the community though? Shitty behavior.
oh yes. i caught their comment on github about this already.
if i had the time i'd fork this and block AI contributions outright. slop certainly doesn't belong in something that allows us linux users to play something that's windows exclusive, cause lord knows what it'll break.
"We live in a capitalist hellscape so why bother to struggle against it" isn't a completely unreasonable take. Too bad, though.
Can't win a fight if you don't fight.
Also standing together is the only way to win such a fight as one against the hellscape we're facing.

My regret is I have but one upvote to give.
Fork it and maintain it yourself then. That's the beauty of FOSS. I would argue if more people learned to code everytime someone complained about AI use by FOSS project maintainers and contributed (code, bug reports, q&a, community engagement) to the projects they care about, maybe less maintainers will be looking to use LLMs.
I always found Lutris to be troublesome at best. Always had better luck with Bottles.
From reading the posted threads the Lutris devs have even bigger red flags, the AI usage seems like just another symptom of their total disdain for the users of their program.
It’s just painful to use. Why are commonly used Wine/Proton features like DLL overrides so unnecessarily poorly done in the UI? I may as well write the command line switches myself.
For real, strycore's responses to github issues seem to mostly be laughing at the posters, calling them idiots, and at best eventually giving in and fixing an issue after another maintainer acknowledges a bug as valid. Glad I only use Lutris for Battle.net, and definitely looking for alternatives.
Can a motherfucker get a break, PLEASE.
I use Lutris for games that don't work in Steam/Proton, usually an older game like Black and White 2 or the old Sims 2 game (before the updated version came out). Why is everything I like turning to shit! :(
Hell, it’s not even everything I like is turning to shit. Things I already hate are getting worse as well. It’s fucking everything. Either AI or ads. Shareholders above all.
Try Heroic or Bottles. I am personally a fan of Bottles.
Can it even still call itself open source when it is entirely unclear where the AI they used took the code from, and under what license it was published?
What even does using AI regurgitated code do to the license of a software product? Because basically what they are doing is exactly the same as going through shit tons of comments on stackoverflow and copying them verbatim into the code base. Without attribution or regard to licensing.
What shit.
Supreme Court recently declined to take a major copyright case involving AI, which meant the previous court's ruling still stands - ai generated content can't be copyrighted. Tho I haven't looked at the details, so I'm not sure if that applies to code or not.
It will not surprize me if everyone currently depending on these systems is going to be in for a very rude awakening.
The snipe from the dev about removing the co-authorship is particularly shitty.
Devs of open source software need the thick skin to be able to say "This is how I'm going to handle things as long as I'm the lead, you don't have to like it." but this goes beyond it into an active "fuck you" to their users.
Edit: the second link has less charged discussion, but it's still getting wrapped up in "anthropic bad" stuff that's not actually related to code quality.
If the project is not the space for non-code quality concerns like Anthropic's business dealings, then it is also not the place for one of the devs to try their personal social project of "seeing if contributors can differentiate between AI assisted commits and not". Listing claude as a co-author where it was used serves a practical purpose of drawing extra eyes for review of relevant commits.
Listing claude as a co-author where it was used serves a practical purpose of drawing extra eyes for review of relevant commits.
This is the correct take and best course of action. What the dev did is not only shitty but also dumb.
That's funny, not long ago people were giving me shit for saying Lutris is a confusing, unintuitive mess.
Well I guess now we know why.
No, it was a confusing intuitive mess with tons of broken toggles for legacy cruft long, long before AI code was a thing.
You know what's great about open source software?
You can fork it and turn it into your own project. With black jack and hookers.
Someone can, I certainly don't have the time or the talent to do so. Thanks for your efforts people who do this stuff.
Have you tried using AI
Sloptris
I don't get it, why would you take a program (or ANYTHING) you created and let some AI shit all over it. I will never.
Am I allowed to have an unpopular narrative here?
There are levels of vibe coding, and it's possible to use AI without vibe coding at all.
If you're very targeted in what you're having the AI do and you carefully review the code, it can be a great tool.
For example, "make this html grid sortable and add a download button that creates a csv file." You know exactly what this does, it's self contained, and it's something you know can just be copied from stack overflow and applied to your code.
That works, and works well.
"Create an app that..." is vibe coded slop.
For example, “make this html grid sortable and add a download button that creates a csv file.” You know exactly what this does, it’s self contained, and it’s something you know can just be copied from stack overflow and applied to your code.
Even if this works, you'll be stealing someone else's code without authorship attribution for anything that's a non-trivial algorithm.
Most devs are already doing that. This just saves them the time of doing it for themselves.
The copyright/license issues that come with it due to the current unregulated nature of ai are a completely different issue to the vibecode slop allegations.
no. it's one aspect of many. Using slop is ethically wrong AND it produces shitty code with zero innovation and creating technical debt.