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HP's long-running use of firmware updates that block third-party ink and toner cartridges is drawing scrutiny again – this time under a new global sustainability standard that explicitly forbids the practice.

The International Imaging Technology Council (Int'l ITC), a trade group for cartridge remanufacturers, says HP's latest printer firmware rollout conflicts with the requirements of the General Electronics Council's (GEC) updated Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool, or EPEAT 2.0.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

The only reason I would buy an HP printer, is to sue them after.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Just bust the printer mafia already!

[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I paid $0.01 for a flash drive at Microcenter and $0.10 per page(or job, I don't know) to print at the library. I don't even have a library card there. I learned enough about printers taking an A+ class to not want to fuck around with printers at home.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Wait how did you pay 1 cent for a flash drive? I mean they're cheap but I've never seen them for that cheap.

[–] abcdqfr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Probably some "sale" for when you purchase something else for $50 at 50% markup. Bonus of adding to "sales" tally for some generations old dogshit flash drive they otherwise could not sell.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

Wow you have to really suck for the joke certification EPEAT to be mad at you. It’s a fake label that manufactures control to greenwash unrepairable garbage.

[–] imacatnotaman@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I bought an open box color HP LaserJet from Microcenter 10 years ago for ~$200. I've always bought 3rd party toner and never had any issues. HP will never get a dime from me for shit like this and that printer will last the rest of my life lol

[–] LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Was given a HP LaserJet before 2020. It's been over 5 years. I have yet to replace toner in it. And I was given a BUNCH of toner for it. Injets are a joke.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

A colour laser ?

[–] imacatnotaman@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, it took us probably 7 years to use the first batch of lower volume ones lol. Then, my wife and I both independently bought a set of black and all three colors. So, we are set with toner for the rest of our lives too

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago

It isn't just third party ink.

They block their own damn cartridges from being used in their own damn printers if that cartridge has been used in another printer.

They also block it if a cartridge was purchased through their subscription plan and you no longer subscribe.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I bought an HP printer once and im never doing that again. The best printers ive had has all been Brother.

[–] ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Bought a brother B&W laser a decade ago. Just replaced the toner it came with, with extra toner I purchased at the time... It's a two pack, it may outlast me...

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

One of the only things I regret leaving my ex-fiance was our Brother Wifi Scanner/Printer. That thing was awesome.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

The laser jets are actually fine for small office use. It’s the ink jets that you have to avoid.

[–] trewq@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Hp printer is in my banned list for decades already.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago

If a third-party ink cart can introduce a "cyber threat," your unbelievably shoddy firmware would be the problem, you disingenuous Hamburglars.

[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

HP: "just some business cost."

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago

New rule: printer cartridges, ink, paper, drums, or any supply needed to operate the device may not be sold with authentication features. The printer can not know any detail about what’s put into it aside from is or is not present. Done.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I did tech support for HP DeskJet printers in 1996 - the 600, 600C, and 660C. I had a DeskJet around that time, but that was the last one I got because they started screwing around with the drivers.

Back in the 80s/90s, HP made some great printers. Had a LaserJet 4 that lasted a long long time.

But not long after I moved on to another job - I never bought HP again. And that's now been a recommendation for literally 30 years.

Do not buy HP!

Also, unless you print a LOT of pictures, don't buy inkjets. The ink has so many issues. Get a laserjer. Brother is a good simple brand. I have had a Brother color laser since 2018 and it's still chugging along perfectly. I'm on around my second set of cartridges because I don't print a lot. But whenever I do print, it's there and ready to go.

There's a couple of other brands that are alright, too.

But do not buy HP. Jesus, people, it's been a full generation of people since this has been true! Nobody should be buying HP inkjet crap!

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

Funnily enough I've owned 2 inkjets spanning two decades, both very infrequently used and... I never had issues. The last one was an HP even. Though after like a decade, the ink dried up I think. Before that I could just take it out of its hiding spot after a year and it'd still work.

Never planning to buy another one though. If I REALLY need to, I'll get a black and white laser one.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

HP used to make a lot of great stuff. Their spectrum analyzers were the best in the business. At some point they flipped a switch and went into full enshittification mode. They burned all their bridges with their most loyal and informed customers.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like it's a consistent recurring issue with....... capitalism? Whatever you want to blame it on. Profit-taking instead of consistent quality. Some assholes take over and trade on the previously good name of a company while killing it. It's so stupid and short-sighted.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I would say that, but… there are a lot of, for example, Japanese companies that have been around for decades or centuries making great stuff the way they always had. Unless you’re saying Japan isn’t a capitalist country (I’d love to see how that argument plays out), I’d say there’s some difference in company culture that leads to enshittification.

I’ve heard in some cases it happens when a new CEO takes over and they have no respect for the existing culture, and just want to “make their mark” by chasing short term profits.

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Give me Brother printers or give me death.

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

idk about the don’t but inkjet… i don’t print much but got an epson surecolor (large format; prints up to a1 off a roll of paper… i got it because i think the idea of being able to do that is excellent more than actual use case) and it’s been absolutely glorious… the ink doesn’t dry out fast, and because it’s a borderline professional printer they don’t gouge you on the ink: they just sell you the printer for what it’s worth, and then sell the ink for what it’s worth

i think there are reasonable arguments for ink, but i guess that if you have to give 1 recommendation (outside of a brand to go with), laser is probably a safe bet

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

HUEY PACKA doing the usual enshittification.

[–] atropa@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Nobody buys HP anymore , HP stands for Has Problems

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Made the mistake of buying a HP “gaming laptop.” The goddamn thing chugs if you have five browser tabs open.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago

I thought it stood for Horrible Product.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the problem is that they're anti-consumer.

[–] 69420@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I used to work with a lot of HP's industrial printers. The automated maintenance routines always take so damn long, and they break all the time. We always said HP stands for Have Patience.

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[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 points 18 hours ago

From the article:

According to the GEC's published criteria, printer vendors have three compliance paths. They can avoid firmware changes that disable remanufactured cartridges, offer approved cartridge solutions that maintain device functionality, or make remanufactured options available for purchase through their own channels. Each route is meant to encourage a model in which printing components are reused rather than discarded.

So far, more than 38,000 products remain listed under the older EPEAT 1.0 registry, while only 163 have transitioned to the new 2.0 standard – none of them printers.

It's not binding. Maybe articles like this one will shame hp into stopping that bs one day ☀️ (only joking)

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 18 hours ago

EPSON is probably the second worst printer system. we use laser printer instead now. any expensive color pictures, words we need, we just go to a kiosk/print store to do it, or large number of pages at once.

[–] Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Never buy HP! Never! They are scum!

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

it's been at least 15 years that I've known better than to buy any HP products. Still - fuck their CEO(s) with a rusty rebar.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Only? What about all the other right to repair and freedom of choice laws?

Imagine bricking a car because it filled up at a competitive brands gas station.

Honey I am going to do fill up the Honda and the Honda station!

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's also rampant assholery, but that's harder to legislate.

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[–] robber@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Global sustainability rules???

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Next step: When a 3rd party cartridge is detected HP will degrade print quality just enough to make them unusable while blaming the cartridge manufacturers for the problem.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

They probably have a team of idea finders scouring the fediverse as we speak! Am I joking? Who knows.

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