Good, good.... Make them fight each other
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I'm surprised no one in the comments noticed that the person getting paid the same for working harder is a woman. This is sadly the norm in many businesses including those that I've worked for. That made this seem awfully likely to be real other than only a moron would actually put this in writing. I think this lady should just start doing as much work as her salary dictates. There is clearly no benefit to busting your ass if you get paid shit. Also, start looking for a new place of employment.
It's so weird that they went through with justifying the difference in pay (which I don't think they actually had to do in such detail) and somehow... they didn't stop halfway through and realize that doesn't actually justify anything. The "we value your attitude" part is exactly why she should be paid equally. I mean, they literally offered her a leverage to use in negociation.
I don't understand the stance in this thread.
I hear so many workplace horror stories about new management coming in and firing low output people without understanding that they contribute positively to morale and increasing everyone else's output. But when that role is acknowledged, it's suddenly time for a lawsuit and finding a new job?
Both situations if incorrectly handled are a problem.
Being good for morale is definitely a good thing. However if that is the main thing someone brings to the table and their work performance is otherwise noticeably lower, then it's on management to manage the person. The other side of it that I have personally seen is that while their work output may be lower, they produce better quality/detailed work as well (but not always, just playing devils advocate).
Being the hard worker producing a lot of output is also generally a good thing, but only if the quality of your work does not suffer and they are not achieving it by overloading/burning out. OK you've done 4x as much work as Bob. But only because half of that was you then having to re-do the work due to errors, missed requirements, etc. Once again, just an example/playing devils advocate as to why more output is not always better.
It's been my experience and advice that you should never negotiate your pay by arguing that others get paid more, or equal, or whatever. Same for external factors like inflation, cost of living ect. You can think that internally, and base your target on that, just don't bring it up in negotiations because it's a weak argument and signals that you're chasing parity relative to some external factor.
IMO you should pick a target that genuinely makes you feel is fair to you, and pursue that in your negotiation, arguing that that's what you feel is fair for your experience and time.
This can't be real. Who would write this down? This sounds like an easy lawsuit.
Obviously. No corporation would openly justify one employees compensation over another's, or even consider writing it in an email. They would just say that how another employees compensation is calculated is private, and will not be discussed.
And if they did, saying "We let Marcus get away with everything because he's a righteous dude, but you better get back to work" is never going to fly at any level - morale, management, legal, etc.
I'm in the Netherlands, work culture may differ.
So poorly worded. This company should have a better answer to this question, or not engage with the question at all. Comparing compensation is difficult. It isn't just about how much you do.
Not everybody is a factory line worker where you can simply measure the daily widget output. I've been a manager in high tech companies, and people often wildly misjudge their own ability and how they contribute to a broader structural problem in the company. The work is more than daily widget output and doing what you're told. I also need creativity, pushing back on colleagues, human care, commercial insight, among many aspects of your job. Don't reduce yourself to your output.
Edit: I know this is probably going to get downvoted. I'm just answering the reality of how capitalist companies operate. In a class struggle sense, no company is going to give you the full value of your labor. Switching to another company will not change that, there is always profit for owners to take. Fighting unfairness in the workplace is one thing, but we can't know if this is favoritism, the company being bad at judging value, or the worker bad at judging their value. Calling for more to be given to the workers instead of the owners is always right, but that says nothing about the distribution between workers.
Just don't work anymore and instead chat cheerfully with your coworkers. Its the same quality work. Bring the vibes xD
They are fucking, aren't they?
Working hard and working effectively are not always the same thing.
Not working hard or effectively is always the same thing.
Insta-quit.
Agree on the quit, disagree on the insta.
Use the time to apply and interview for a new job. Once you've secured a new position, then you quit. Don't hurt your own finances while you hurt your old company.
And it's up to you how much notice you give. Worth considering whether to preserve the professional relationships, or torch that bridge.
I can see a situation where that makes sense. A colleague who keeps morale up can be at least as important for the team as one who works hard
...on the other hand, it can also be a way for managers to reward their loyal favorites for no particular reason.
I dunno, this makes me happy we have collectively bargained wages at my workplace
My take on it is that the manager should take her complaint seriously and should not have replied like that. That's all we can really go on as we don't know anything else about the situation, work load, what Marcus should be doing, etc.
Yeah, the manager fucked up by providing too much info and wording it poorly. If it's "you two have different skills and contribute to the team in different ways" that's another story. If Marcus is also making sure the rest of the team feels supported and keeps morale high then that is work too! (As someone who often fills the emotional support human role, on top of regular duties, I'm glad that this could be recognized). Productivity is more than work output, and comparison is the thief of joy.
If the person is upset because they feel their workload is too high, or that they aren't being compensated for their own work, then that's a different convo they should be having.
Quit, without notice.
The world has enough "what's your reaction?" content. No need to poll the internet, just make a decision and move on with your life.
The world has enough ~~"what's your reaction?"~~* content.
*fake :)
(Imagine not seeking advice for major life decisions though! …….. Also imagine using Elon social)
This is like saying the world has enough stories, so new stories don't have a place anymore.
Hard disagree.
Work hard to get paid. Once you get paid, dial back that work folks. Dial it right back.
"You're a mule and we will work you as hard as you let us. Quit if you don't like how we run things."
This feels fake. I could be wrong and hope I am.
No manager competent enough to write that well is going to put anything like that down in writing. Totally fake.
I worked for an IT manager who fired me after I pointed out that he was scammed for buying a 6 pack 1TB flash drives from Amazon for $40.
He wrote an email saying I was a jerk for delegitimizing his authority which I took to HR and was fired the next day "for not being a good culture fit" and was paid to be under a nondisclosure for half a year.
I am like Mulder, I believe the morons are out there.
Good reminder not to trust HR.
It's an AI written justification.
Could still be fake, but there are absolutely people that are this stupid and use chatgpt.
It actually sounds like ChatGPT, so...
Yep. This would never ever be an email. It'll be a in-person meeting.
Why? It leaves a paper trial, and it's written too "smart".
I have broken some HR policies before - real stupid ones (like using the bathroom too much or something ridiculous) and had "the meeting".
But when I ask them to give me a written version of the issues after the meeting, it's always vague and points to line items in the handbook.
There's people at Amazon that thought an AI only phone is a good idea
There ARE a lot of incompetent managers out there though ...
Did everyone clap, too?
I just don’t believe a boss would commit to writing “your output is higher and better but I like Tad’s vibe better.”
Just begging for a visit from HR.
I've been a union rep for a good few years and honestly you wouldn't believe the shit I've seen managers put in writing. "It is company policy to commit crimes here" levels of brazenly breaking the law, especially for stuff like disability discrimination. I can 100% believe this.
Tbh, "company policy" are magical words.
I assume if something illegal gets labeled as "Company Policy" (even though it isn't), the company should immediately be held accountable regardless - so terrible managers don't get to throw those two words around as a magic shield to protect themselves from employees being cognitively indisonant, unlike their perfect selves.
My bosses must be smarter than the most them because they refuse to ever put anything in writing.
I don't believe this but you can absolutely fire someone for vibes.
Your attitude does affect team members. I'd happily fire a high out put team member for being an ass.
Being an "ass" is one thing (making conflicts like it's yoir job).
Paying people preferentially because you and a couple of your buddies like them a bit (bonus points if you spend private time together as well) should be about 3 red flags for everyone involved.
Can’t tell if the boss’ reply is AI text or just kool-aid drunk businessman.
Do the minimum and go around the office socializing. If they complain, show them the email and tell them you're working on the metrics they care about the most.
Rage bait. Fake and straight.