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Right, but that's also no excuse for running lesser monsters on the other side. We have every right to refuse all monsters no matter their severity.

Yup.

That said, please be kind to leftists, and try to primary a candidate people can vote FOR, rather than just voting against Republicans. (America needs more Mamdanis, and "vote blue no matter who" is a reasonable stance but a TERRIBLE slogan.)

Same goes for leftists: Be kinder to and more understanding of liberals. Not everyone has it in them to be a hardline revolutionary. (And don't forget to vote in the primaries.)

I usually see it as calling out the political capture of the two-party system which has rendered the United States an oligarchy with increasingly dysfunctional democratic functions. Quite often it is a call out of the partisanship that reinforces the rigidity of the two party system and preventing any positive or lasting reform. At the very least those are the valid contexts I know of for bringing up any both-sideism of the two American political parties.

But yes, the Republicans do win when there is less voting.

Try your hardest to create a new party the day after election day. If it fails, vote Democrat and start trying again the next day.

You have no idea how strongly and passionately I wish to see the day that you guys get a proper multi-party system. What you have right now is super fucked up.

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

EDIT: Also, yes, Trump and GOP are definitely trying to downright rig elections and that can't be ignored, of course

Uh-oh. I guess this means I should show up to the polls next time. And vote for the less-bad candidate.

But I hate it. I HATE ALL OF IT.

No, this claim is false.

I know both sides are absolute shit, and I still voted for Harris. And I hate Harris, though not as much as Biden or Trump. I would not have voted for Biden.

I didn't "design" this opinion to manipulate anyone's vote. My opinion has been earned through life experience, including political volunteering and running for office.

Dump the f'n Electoral College!!!

Even if we DO vote, we still get Republicans. They just wear a different color and use a different letter.

People who won't vote for the Democrats don't necessarily see the world the same way as people who do vote D. Really go have a look at https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

There are ethical lines some people actually won't cross, e.g. voting for the Ds who make anthropogenic climate change worse and so are causing a mass extinction, sell weapons to people actively committing a genocide, further an economic system that rewards narcissistic sociopaths and punishes ethical people, ...

Go look at the linked graph above again. You may not agree, but understand that there are people who do, and to get these people to vote for the Ds, you need to convince them why voting for omnicidal, genocidal, greedy sociopaths is the right thing to do. The "lesser evil" argument doesn't work on them, because if you look at the linked graph above and compare the distances between the parties, and understand there are ethical lines between the Ds and leftists/socialists/Greens/etc. they won't cross; then it means vastly better arguments need to be put forth. Yes the Rs are psychopaths and openly racist, but compared to the slightly less (compare the distances on the graph) sociopathic Ds, then

“It is infinitely better to vote for freedom and fail than to vote for slavery and succeed.” - Eugene V. Debs, Appeal to Reason, 1900-10-13.

“Wage-labor is but a name; wage-slavery is the fact.” - Eugene V. Debs, The Socialist Party and the Working Class 1904-09-01

If there are no ethical options, then activity making the world more evil isn't something these people will do.

both sides are bad, but voting for lesser evil is still better than letting bigger evil prosper. But pretending choice between 2 evils is the ONLY option is what is perpetuating this bullshit. And if there truly is nothing to be done except accept your one party system that is split in 2, you need to work on dismantling the whole system instead but that is chemoterapy level option so hopefully it doesnt get to that.

America needs more parties so people have actually something to vote.

There's a lot that goes into the choice of a President, starting way upstream from the actual Presidential vote - after all, there are 340 million of Americans who could be President, so clearly there is a lot of choosing going on outside the actual vote to trim that down, otherwise the Presidential election vote would have a lot more than just 2 real options.

Sadly a lot of Americans seem to have been brainwashed into a sort of learned blindness were they think of the actual election vote as the entirety of the choice, not really pondering on the rest of choosing that must be going on to go from 340 million possibilities to 2.

Posts like this one are elements of the very propaganda used to convince Americans that their only power as citizens is in that one single moment were somebody else already trimmed 340 million down to 2 and a loud spectacle is made of them having the choice of 1 out of those preselected 2.

If one doesn't allow oneself to be swindled into such a reductive view of Democratic choice in America, it becomes pretty obvious that the vote itself does very little of the choosing and that have more of the choice one has to at minimum participate in Primaries, better yet do things like campaigning, even better be part of civil society groups, go on demonstrations and even distribute pamphlets and put up posters denouncing the actions of the worst politicians (such as getting money from AIPAC).

People who genuinely want to improve the way America is run wouldn't relentlessly try to artificial reduce the view that others have of the process down to the smallest and least mathematically significant part of it.

That most people being brainwashed into thinking that selecting between the last 2 is all that matters massively helps those doing the biggest and most obscure part of the choosing to retain said power and not be questioned for it, probably explains why the Propaganda pushing for the hyper-reductive take on the choosing of a President is so relentless and intense.

The fact that you think there's two sides is the problem.

The Democrats are bad, but the Republicans want you dead.

Do you really need it spelled out more than this ? VOTE for heaven's sake.

Just a reminder that liberals will never be on the side of the revolution. They're always going to say that voting for them is what matters. It's all a sham to prevent you from actually doing anything.

You gotta use that energy to push people in the primary

The problem is both sides ARE bad. Both ... two. The two party system is broken, our Constitution was not built to handle political parties and George Washington says he regrets they were not banned in the Constitution. He said that political parties would destroy the USA in his farewell speech to the nation. Independent parties are the only noncorrupt option ... but they are not viable in a two party system.

Every time I say something like that a self proclaimed intellectual comes around and tells me how he couldn’t vote for Kamala because he is totally not a Russian bot and he had to stop Kamala from starting a war in the Middle East.

You gotta keep voting the lesser of two evils for the main elections, while voting for the best alternatives you can find locally.

Bingo.

Just got perma-banned from the "Late Stage Capitalism" sub cuz I called the single moderator (always bad) out as a coward for deleting my comments pointing out that both sides are not the same and in the situation we find ourselves in it is to our benefit to vote for the one currently not engaging in fascism.

Kinda wish there was a rule that subs have to have more than one active moderator or get shut down after a period of time. But I guess some subs are so small and specific that wouldn't work. Just sucks losing subs to a single powertripping moron.

Yeah.. I already voted last election but the below makes me concerned..

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/read-the-emergency-executive-order-trump-activists-are-rallying-behind

Note the article says this is being pitched but nothing surprises me anymore