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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you have a problem with the truth, that's a you problem. You can disagree with a course of action, but if truthful criticism of Dear Leader makes someone The Enemy to you, you're much closer to fascists than you'd like to admit.

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[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

People who won't vote for the Democrats don't necessarily see the world the same way as people who do vote D. Really go have a look at https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

There are ethical lines some people actually won't cross, e.g. voting for the Ds who make anthropogenic climate change worse and so are causing a mass extinction, sell weapons to people actively committing a genocide, further an economic system that rewards narcissistic sociopaths and punishes ethical people, ...

Go look at the linked graph above again. You may not agree, but understand that there are people who do, and to get these people to vote for the Ds, you need to convince them why voting for omnicidal, genocidal, greedy sociopaths is the right thing to do. The "lesser evil" argument doesn't work on them, because if you look at the linked graph above and compare the distances between the parties, and understand there are ethical lines between the Ds and leftists/socialists/Greens/etc. they won't cross; then it means vastly better arguments need to be put forth. Yes the Rs are psychopaths and openly racist, but compared to the slightly less (compare the distances on the graph) sociopathic Ds, then

“It is infinitely better to vote for freedom and fail than to vote for slavery and succeed.” - Eugene V. Debs, Appeal to Reason, 1900-10-13.

“Wage-labor is but a name; wage-slavery is the fact.” - Eugene V. Debs, The Socialist Party and the Working Class 1904-09-01

If there are no ethical options, then activity making the world more evil isn't something these people will do.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Yeah but not voting just shifts everything further right.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

To a point. At some point, lesser-evil, blue-no-matter-who people realize that they cannot prevent the right from gaining power without the help of these other people they have lost. They realize the only way to get these people to vote D is to shift D leftward. Then everything shifts to the left. This process has already started and barking at the people forcing this change won't do a thing against the Rs. Helping the change progress faster might.

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Theres more than two options. Its an absurd premise to begin with.

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[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yup.

That said, please be kind to leftists, and try to primary a candidate people can vote FOR, rather than just voting against Republicans. (America needs more Mamdanis, and "vote blue no matter who" is a reasonable stance but a TERRIBLE slogan.)

Same goes for leftists: Be kinder to and more understanding of liberals. Not everyone has it in them to be a hardline revolutionary. (And don't forget to vote in the primaries.)

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Be kind to each other. Yes.

Defy the psyops to have you divided and conquered.

Remind each other...

The people of other groupthinks are not your enemy. They're your allies who've fallen foul of the deceivers who've harmed you both. Time for libertarian-left and libertarian-right to unite, and stop falling for the ploys of their authoritarian counterparts. Freedom first.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Just a reminder that liberals will never be on the side of the revolution. They're always going to say that voting for them is what matters. It's all a sham to prevent you from actually doing anything.

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (11 children)

And scolding people for criticizing Democrats as "both-siders" means you like your fascism with less overt racism.

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[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Voting gives the system an appearance of consent and legitimacy. Mass non-compliance is the answer.

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