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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

The Untied States should have their independence revoked

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Well yeah. It takes violence to stop violence, and we've been brain washed in schools with the "Zero Tolerance Policy" that retaliating is worse than being a bully. Kids who defended themselves from aggressors often were either the only ones punished, or punished far worse than the instigator. That's been going on for at least 2-3 decades in said schools. It has obviously made a bunch of adults too afraid of doing the right thing.

It's why we hold parades instead of protests with the threat of escalation. If we really wanted to make changes, Republicans and their minions(ICE) would not have homes to live in, or comfortable lives. Same for their enablers.

We would have taken them off the board and held special elections as populace. Still can, and will still need to when we have finally had enough. That or a foreign power will do it for us, but then they get to make the rules instead of "We The People".

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 126 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Yup, this presidency has killed my faith in our supposed system in record time. Congress's inaction and complicity were the final nails. I have no faith in this country or its people. Hard to not come to the conclusion that we're entirely motivated by greed and schadenfreude. We the people have the government we deserve.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 82 points 4 days ago (15 children)

What you are seeing is the end result of a fifty year long class war against the middle and working Americans that the rich have waged, and won.

Warren Buffet was making this known two decades ago and no one listened.

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[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Sure the government has been corrupted and hollowed out, but the people deserve some credit.

From Minneapolis Minnesota standing firm, building barricades in the streets, and bringing food to families to afraid to leave to folks in Portland directly engaging with frozen water cops, common citizens have shown they won’t roll over so easy.

I also just saw on Threads this morning (ick, I know) there’s a “warehouse fire tracker” that’s up to 90 now (!).

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I think there are a lot of people and individual communities who are resisting Trump and deserve incredible credit, but it's accurate to say that this has shown the weakness in American society.

Right now, our social fabric as a country is really frayed. We have terrible safety nets. Our ability to get healthcare is tied to our jobs (some states now are trying to implement or have implemented work requirements for Medicaid, making even that now depend on employment). Many Americans are a missed paycheck away from losing housing. Our stagnating minimum wages are making it hard for a lot of people in fields with a lower barrier to entry to build up savings, and people in traditionally high paying tech fields are seeing the encroaching threat of AI. It's incredibly easy for employers to fire people in most places, with only a few protected categories that you can't be fired for, and those you'd have to prove in court against an employer in a lawsuit, needing either to find a lawyer who'll work on commission or pay up front in hopes of winning the wrongful dismissal suit, assuming you have the money for it in the first place.

Our housing supply has been badly outpaced by the demand for housing, and also large corporations are buying up swathes of housing to rent out to people at the highest rates they can get away with, while building new housing is expensive, often tied up in red tape, and rarely accessible to the average person as a result. Zoning in many places also locks people into specifically low density single-family homes, which are one of the most expensive and inefficient ways of building housing, making it harder for people to find starter homes and also making people dependent on cars, another expense that tends to put people in debt, worsen dependency on oil due to cars mostly being internal combustion and electric cars being more expensive, worsen public health for similar reasons (making healthcare access even more important, making people even more dependent on their jobs) and something which makes life even harder for folks who have a disability which makes driving impossible or requires expensive vehicle modifications.

Our food system is a mess. Many people live in food deserts where reliable access to fresh produce requires transportation long distances, and local options are mostly shelf-stable ultra-processed foods which do not fill most people's nutritional needs on their own. These foods are profitable for large corporations which use their influence to affect public health policy to keep people dependent on these foods, prevent regulation of potentially harmful ingredients, and bury studies that show the harms of these foods. Cooking at home takes time, energy, and access to affordable ingredients that people in food deserts working three jobs to keep the lights on often just do not have.

Public schools have often experienced funding cuts leading to staffing cuts leading to school lunch being prepared using limited fresh ingredients (particularly fruits and non-starchy vegetables), ultra-processed foods and minimum labor, often by third parties due to the lack of on-site kitchens, making it hard for schools to afford to change this if they want to. This may be the only meal a day kids from impoverished families get. If their parents have any problems with the paperwork for free school lunch and fall into lunch debt, these meals may be taken away from their child and replaced with a sunflower seed butter sandwich. The federal school lunch program heavily pushes dairy as well, so good luck to lactose intolerant kids, who might get a carton of soy milk instead but probably not. (Lactose intolerance rates are higher in African-American, Native American and Latine populations, of course.)

Public schools are frequently under-funded, and are funded primarily by property taxes for the school district, meaning that public schools in areas where people are already disproportionately impacted by poverty are going to have lower funds, contributing to lower quality school meals, fewer resources, fewer teachers with larger classes, and generally as a result less effective education. Private and charter schools may come in, but of course may charge for the education of their students (making it inaccessible to many), and often have substantially fewer regulations and anti-discrimination rules, allowing them to wield their power to effect desired agendas. Many are specifically religious and will teach their students according to the specific religious interpretation of those running it. Do they choose to interpret the Bible as forbidding same-sex relationships and identifying as anything but the gender you were assigned at birth? Fucking sucks for you, queer students!

And speaking of people pushing their preferred reading of their preferred religion from a position of power, we have lost huge amounts of third places, such that for many people, their only real available third place for in-person socialization is their local church. Don't share a religion with most of your neighbors? Sucks to be you. Differ in interpretation of a shared religious text from your local church? Sucks to be you. These churches have an outsized influence on local communities, and in many rural and predominantly white places in the US, they are pushing a specific version of white Christian Nationalism passed down from the top by influential rich folks who subscribe to those beliefs. And because of the gutting of social safety nets, a lot of local churches or religious organizations are the main option for seeking assistance with things. Trans? Muslim? Good luck with your local Salvation Army and their discriminatory policies.

I could go on long enough to write a damn book. Social media created by billionaires, optimized to be addictive and lock people in to their services even as they enshittify, have become one of the few other options for socializing, and are constantly pushing misinformation that serves a fascist Christian white nationalist agenda. Journalistic sources both local and national are being bought up by billionaires turning the reported news to their own agenda. Public funding for scientific research is being cut, leading to scientists relying on private grants to continue their research, allowing -- surprise surprise -- billionaires to exert outsized influence on who gets to practice science and what they research. Municipalities are collapsing under the financial weight of inordinately expensive car-centric infrastructure that they cannot afford, leading to them cutting more services and municipalities with predominantly impoverished residents especially struggling.

I barely even touched on the ways that sexism, racism, ableism, anti-queer discrimination, xenophobia and our broken migration system (broken in the sense that under-resourcing of immigration courts and absurd laws make it a long and difficult process for migrants to obtain legal residency and citizenship, leading to many migrants being left without documents and thus vulnerable to exploitation and further targeting by ICE) amplify these things and make them worse, nor how they divide people and make working class solidarity more difficult, nor how Imperialism and the Imperial boomerang affect things, nor our police system that actively incentives officers to act in harmful ways and prevents accountability, nor a million other things because everything is just too damn much. I literally forgot to even mention the US making war on Iran! Oh, the Epstein files! Voter suppression and gerrymandering!! Gun violence!!!

So frankly, it is a Goddamn miracle that despite all of this, people are organizing. It is a testament to the resiliency and endurance of humanity that Minnesota is organizing against ICE. It is beautiful that people are organizing national strikes, and that the numbers are slowly growing. It is heroic that people are forming mutual aid groups and building local power and building food and housing security.

I won't say there aren't a lot of American people who suck. People voted Trump in, twice, and many of his voters are actively celebrating his cruelty, while the remainder are like "oh, I didn't like the cruelty, but I thought he would be good for the economy," which, okay, "I'm only overlooking The Horrors because money!" isn't much of an excuse. A lot of working class Trump voters have been shaped by webs of disinformation and targeted manipulation that make them vote against their own interests, and I have a sliver of sympathy for that, but actively choosing to support or ignore the horrors being inflicted upon the vulnerable by this government is simply bad. They are choosing to do bad things.

So yeah, some of the American people do suck. But it's not most of us. Our society is broken, and it's going to take incredible work to fix it. So I don't see "the weakness of the American society has led to this" as a damnation of our people nor a downplaying of what so many are doing to fix it; I see it as a descriptor of the problem, in hopes of helping realize the solution.

Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED talk. Support your local mutual aid network. Start a garden. Advocate for housing reform in your community. Do something so that you know you are a part of the solution, and do not try to do everything, because you will burn out and this can only be fixed by rebuilding our society as a group, not a single individual fixing everything.

Also, if anyone knows how to do a "read more" block, please tell me? I'm using Voyager and don't see it built in, and the Markdown implementation for collapsed text blocks varies across every implementation I've seen.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Guns were a protection from the government in 1800s, not anymore. Arm the unions with missile launchers.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They are. Just only the police unions.

[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Fuck Ralph Nader. If it weren't for him we wouldn't have had Dubya and the Iraq war. Hell, we might not have even had 9/11 and the Afghan war because the administration would have heeded the intelligence that showed Al Qaida was planning the attack.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Piss off a bunch of french and you got a mob hunting you down.

Piss off a bunch of americans and they will still go solo at you, like minions in a movie, because grouping together is considering an evil socialism there.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 61 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Stop him? American society created him.

Not really sure how to fix this.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Hope America implodes from within

[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Could we say that technically Australia created him? Rupert Murdoch is the devil.

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[–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I don't understand why people are acting like half the country didn't want him. Present them with any other option and they will still choose him even today.

Edit: To those who keep discussing how people didn't vote, please realize that is still a choice. If you didn't vote then you may as well have voted for him regardless.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

People keep bringing up people who didn't vote like that exonerates them. What they're really saying is two thirds of the country were complicit, the third who voted Trump and the third who couldn't be bothered to vote

[–] NerdyTimesOrWhatever@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (37 children)

Im still trying to figure out how people like you think half the population voted for him. He won a plurality, which means more than his opponent. A majority is over 50%.

Only <65% people of voting age even voted (including 3rd party candidates). He didnt even win a majority amongst only those who voted. And who of the remaining 35%+ is fascist or anti-fascist? They're pretty vocal, now.

Any other option lmao. Dude, he's the least popular president in history. What are you huffing?

Regardless of supporting someone who attempted to overthrow our government, he is surrounded by convicted rapists and pedophiles. Why would he do that?

Regardless of his fascination with dictators and his love of rapists and pedophiles, his Iran war BS is being used explicitly for stock market manipulation. Presidents are not allowed to manipulate the stock market for profit. They actually have some pretty specific rules about what kind of money they can gain, use, and their possession of property is typically very scrutinized for a variety of reasons.

A rapist and pedophile loving, dictator admiring, stock market manipulating, genocide supporting and threatening, wonderful president.

Let me ask: Who won in 2020?

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Almost half of the voting population clearly saw the possibility of him becoming a president again, and decided that preventing that is not worth an afternoon of their time. That's a choice. That's a direct, active action that those people did.
Most of americans were either in favour or a pedo becoming their king, or didn't see anything wrong with it.

"Didnt have time because they were working to avoid homelessness" is also an option. That isnt a direct, active decision. Voting and getting your ballot thrown out isnt your fault, either.

A lot of ancient people who dont need to work are the ones voting against their, and our, best interests. Voter suppression, throwing out millions of valid democratic ballots, extra ballots with only Trump on them, a lot of interesting things happened in 2024.

Most people didnt vote for Trump. Most people who didnt vote who would have, actually abstained due to the success of the anti-Kamala Palestinian propoganda. It was a whole ultra-liberal BS thing that I saw a ton of. Some people certainly didnt care, but your phrasing makes it sound like you believe a majority of people wanted Trump in power. That is simply untrue.

Our country did what it usually does when it gets too comfortable: Get extremely angsty and shoot ourselves in the foot because we think one candidate is so obviously evil they cant win. We are (and this is true) as smart as a headless ostrich. Overconfidence and a lot of moral grandstanding got us where we are.

Hope you're happy, idiots. Thats not directed at you, just annoyed the comparison between eating gross tasting food vs trying to eat shards of glass resulted in people choosing shards of glass. George Carlin had a piece on something very similar, I just cant remember the exact quote.

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t say that. There’s a lot of disenfranchisement going on with many people across the country. They could still be able to vote but for a myriad of reasons simply be unable to.

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[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

If you didn’t vote then you may as well have voted for him regardless.

You can't convince those people of this. Similarly, it's damn near impossible to get people to understand that you can vote your conscience in primaries but you need to be strategic in the general.

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[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To assume that humans en masse are weak is quite foolish, but I suspect their intent is more prodding for people to 'do something'.

We're aware of the issue most of us didn't cause. Just as other countries are currently dealing with their own artificially placed authoritarians (à la epstein and bannon).

To attempt change in the public eye immediately puts you in danger and as such is unwise. Furthermore, many people are not made for such things.

Eventually there will come a time for most of us where a normal life cannot exist, but it's a slow burn, not an explosion.

[–] JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We need to put this into perspective and compare it to how Hitler turned an entire country into dumbly complacent followers & murderers & enablers. We look back at that and ask, "Why didn't somebody stop him? Why was everybody following his orders?"

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"Why didn't Feudal Peasants rise up against theie Feudal Lords? Were they stupid?"

-asks the modern day corporate indentured serf from his company-provided cubicle residence.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For a country with so many guns, they're not very good shots.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago

Just like you don't get termites without dry rot, you don't get fascists without a rotten polity.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There’s been multiple assassination attempts in his first year of this administration

[–] YummyEntropy@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Last I checked all of those people were right wing chuds. Make of that what you will.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

They had better aim when JFK was president.

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