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I kid but also listen to jazz every day.
Join us at !jazz@lemmy.world if you dig.
If my mind wanders away from it then back, I lose track and get annoyed, but it's likely because I wasn't paying attention and lost the plot a bit.
Jazz speaks in a way. If you drift from it a bit, you lose the conversation.
Like Classical, Jazz is not a casual musical language. It requires extensive knowledge by both the artist and the listener.
Edit: Getting some resistanc, which is more than fair. I was a bit flippant with this answer. Like most genres of music, when someone mentions it, people think of the style that they know most.
For me, jazz is best represented by BeBop, which MANY people are imagining when they think of dense, non-melodic jazz that they hate, and that's what I was thinking of. To understand Bop, it really, really helps to understand the underlying music theory. Bird and Diz and Miles and Trane were doing some amazing things, that become even more amazing when you know the theory.
OTOH, if the mention of jazz calls up Big Band music, or the Smooth Jazz of the 90s, you wouldn't need any more musical knowledge to enjoy those, any more than any other more popular music.
Those genres are legitimate jazz as well, as are others, and I am actually a huge Big Band fan, so I shouldn't have been so dismissive.
"You just ain't never had it done right."
Old musician's joke "Do it once, it's a mistake; do it twice, it's jazz."
This poster jazzes.
So, what you are saying is, I need to make a jazz band that does 30 second songs.
Punk jazz
A jizz band
Jizz is already a musical style, its what those aliens play in the cantana in star wars.
That'll be John Zorn's band Naked City. Try their album Torture Garden, featuring such tunes as Jazz Snob Eat Shit
Smooth Jazz yes, but when there’s improvisation I tend to nope right out. Smooth jazz, big band, ragtime - all play the same way each time but for different focus (like big band/swing is for dance).
The only time I’ll tolerate improvisation jazz is while eating dinner when it’s socially acceptable to ignore the music and leave when done eating.
Improvisation can be really good when you get someone talented who's actually applying music theory (many jazz musicians do this).
But when you get avant-garde, the whole point is basically about throwing music theory out the window. It's supposed to be radical/deconstructionist/post-modern, but personally I think it sounds like crap.
Some people think I'm being snooty when I say this, but it sounds like dadaism on a saxophone. Some people claim to like it that way, but I'm pretty certain they're just saying that to be edgy.
Philosophically, it's the jazz equivalent of noise metal.
I suggest giving Keith Jarrett's Koln concert a listen.
It's the first piece of jazz I've ever been able to sit down and listen to from start to finish.
Sounds about right.
Improvisational jazz: "bro it's been 84 measures of discordant shit, just resolve the damn thing already and play the root of the chord!"
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Smooth jazz is better 🖕
"It's like, we get it, you can blow a trumpet. Wrap it up, Elton John!"
This happened to me the first time I listened to BADBADNOTGOOD.
Got through most of an album and thought "whoah, I've been listening to jazz for ages".
Tried some other jazz and thought "Hmm, maybe not"
I'm no expert, but I think badbadnotgood is jazz fusion so that makes sense.
And keep looking for jazz you might like. It grows on some of us, over time.
Absolutely, I'm constantly on the lookout for new music. While the music I listened to as a teen had definetly ingrained in me my tastes I have noticed there's a time and a place for most music.
The thing is, there are many kinds of jazz.
Smooth jazz? Cool.
Cool jazz? Sweet.
Progressive jazz? Alright!
Avant-garde? Err...
Joined! Love jazz. Been trying to learn jazz guitar for the last 10 years. In phases, granted. This time around I’ve stopped caring about scales and have embraced voice leading and chromaticity. Finally starting to get it, I think. Also, there’s this amazing channel on YT: things i learned from barry harris
Oh! Guitar is my second fave instrument. I'm no player but I dig Charlie Christian and Johnny Smith the most. Check them out if you've not come across them yet.
Listening to a group just jamming in any genre is boring. Selecting the best parts and composing them into to a refined piece of music with a lot of deliberate thought behind it goes a long way towards creating something worthy of a listener’s time.
Oh man, I agree that sometimes jam sessions are boring, but I've heard many that are not.
You do you, but for me, some jams are just sublime, the longer the better in those cases.
For example -https://youtu.be/kAUs187IT4I
Norman Granz' Jam Session #2 (1953)
Alto Saxophone – Benny Carter, Charlie Parker, Johnny Hodges
Bass – Ray Brown
Drums – J.C. Heard
Guitar – Barney Kessel
Piano – Oscar Peterson
Tenor Saxophone – Ben Webster, Flip Phillips
Trumpet – Charlie Shavers
Real improv, real gone, man! :)
You’ve never been to a bluegrass jam, then. That’s a party, and there’re plenty of songs to go along with the tunes, too. The solos are short and go off, and then you’re back at it. A song or tune only lasts so long and there’s always movement to keep it alive(which is why I didn’t say old time fiddle music since it’s also very repetitive).
Jazz jams, as someone who swing dances, are generally incredibly meh. The core audience take themselves too seriously to create a fun atmosphere, and the solos all last waaay to long. They play for themselves, often to the point where even the band is disconnected from itself. My friend once played a recording of her friends at a jam for us to practice to and it was so bad that they weren’t even in time with eachother.
Go to your local bluegrass jam and relax. Playing music with others is really important.
