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[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (4 children)

Hey now, let's be clear. Stephen King did not have the clown defeated by a bunch of outcast youths gangbanging in a sewer. That's just patently incorrect. Every single part. No, he had the ancient terror disguised as a clown temporarily banished by summoning an ancient turtle from the dawn of time and engaging It in a battle of wills. Completely different and, in fact, perfectly reasonable. Anyone that's actually read the book knows the outcast youth sewer gangbang happens after that and actually has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Stephen King's not some freak writing a book where the entire plot hinges on a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other to save the world, no; he's a perfectly normal guy writing about a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other for no reason at all. Bet you feel real silly now, huh?

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

I remember it being for the need to destroy their innocence or something

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 26 minutes ago

Is this a copypasta

[–] gurty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And this was the stuff he got published. I’d dread to read his drafts and unreleased material from that era.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Was there not some time traveling component? Like their future selves had to find each other again and come back ti their childhoods. I thought that was what made the "children having sex" part not as triggering as it sounds,because they were actually adults. Mind you, it's been years since I read the book. I might be misremembering things.

[–] NoosFraba@lemmy.world 1 points 51 minutes ago

Sounds like sense8 but your kid self hitches a ride or something. What the what Stephen

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So ... adult-minds having sex with children's bodies?

That makes it worse!

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

"They're actually 900 years old" or something

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 8 points 2 hours ago

I went into IT with an open mind and was prepared for that scene. Kept thinking that it probably made a lot of sense since many King fans had said it had a very beautiful reason behind it.

Then I get to it. And it's just stupid. Genuinely stupid.

The kids are scared of forgetting each other, because that is the power of IT. It makes people forget as they grow up.

So they want to do something meaningful to remember each other. And Bev is like: y'all can fuck me.

And I am over here like: how are the boys supposed to remember each other if they only fuck you? If that scene was supposed to make a lick of sense, the kids would have an orgy with each other and not just the boys lining up to have sex with one girl.

I can go along with weird and uncomfortable ideas in books if they make sense. In this case, it made no sense. But people either seem to defend it because they just go along with the premise or they defend King because he was high or some shit.

I'm not defending bad storytelling. IT has a lot of cool concepts in it and no one can write about small communities like King can, but I'm not gonna pretend like the kids having sex is some clever narrative device. It's very, very stupid.

I also think the Turtle is goofy af.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 hours ago (3 children)
[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 37 points 4 hours ago

There is a scene in the book "It" where the only girl in the friend group decides to have sex with all the others to bring them back together. Down in the sewers.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The book has child porn in it. A group fuck where they all fuck the girl.

Not joking.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The fuck who read that shit Stephen is disgusting

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 24 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I think a lot of people never saw it coming. He was on a lot of drugs at the time.

That said, in every single book he wrote, he has very elaborate scenes where a person urinates themselves. Every. Single. Book.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think he actually avoided that in The Stand by having Harold cum on himself.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 3 points 3 hours ago

I’m certain someone did. At least he came on himself and not in a middle school child.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

On the one hand, I kinda get the logic. On the other, Stephen no, wtf.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You get the logic… of… peeing or the middle school gang bang to defeat a monster?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The second one. It preys on innocent childish fears, so kill that part of you. Haha, so clever, makes sense in universe I guess. But like, why would you make your universe that way?

[–] edwardbear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Cause when you use drugs, you are in the deepest, darkest corners of your psyche. You usually start taking drugs because you either want to silence that part of yourself, or because you feel like a piece of shit because of the thoughts you have in your head. Ultimately, healing comes from realising that everyone experiences thoughts like that, they just decide to not live out the thoughts.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

That's not necessarily why you take drugs.

Uppers like cocaine (which he was very fond of at the time) are often consumed to be more productive or to "enhance" an otherwise already positive time. From what I've heard, he was introduced to coke at a party, which makes perfect sense. Cocaine abuse starts with making a party exhilarating, then it continues with giving you so much energy while working, finally you simply take the stuff because your brain doesn't know how to work with natural levels or serotonin/dopamine/noradrenaline anymore.

To name another class of drugs, taking psychedelics (which I haven't heard of King having much business with) to hide from your inner demons would be a profoundly bad move since those tend to forcibly confront you with yourself. Great if you have the feeling that deep down there's something you need to address but you don't know what. Terrible if you know there's something but you can't handle dealing with it.

Downers like cannabis (which King apparently did at least occasionally use) can be used to silence the bad thoughts. Putting up a smokescreen between your conscious and your subconscious isn't exactly the best way of handling things but at least you're not pouring fuel onto the fire.

Drugs of all kinds can still take your mind in directions you normally would've shied away from, that's true. And a sustained drug habit of any kind is often indicative of an underlying problem; happy people don't mess with their brain chemistry as often. The specific underlying problem can vary wildly – unassisted psychological distress, physiological issues like chronic pain, performance anxiety, peer pressure... the list goes on and on.

Of course, given that King also had a sustained alcohol problem and apparently at one point abused everything he could get his hands on, he definitely seems like someone who couldn't handle what was going on inside of his head. Thankfully he had the support he needed to overcome his drug problem.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 1 points 2 hours ago

I guess. I mean, he’s a pervert who wants to watch kids fuck. You know he jerked off after writing it.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Why do people love this guy

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

read the book and tell us if it's any good? if you're morally opposed to reading some book because of a fictional scene that disgusts you then stick to childrens books

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t know. His books aren’t that great. His movie adaptations are just okay.

He has some early work that was good and got a lot of attention. It was back in the prime days of horror novels. Right place right time. That’s all.

With the right amount of cocaine I think you or I could probably give him a run for his money

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Is using cocaine the writing equivalent of the programmer's Ballmer Peak?

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 3 points 2 hours ago

I think, in his case, the more he did the more he produced.

However, he’s very public about having no recollection or writing many of his books.

I wish I could say “damn, I don’t ever remember making that app. It made a million you say? Wow”

[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Let’s put it this way, enough people read IT that IT got three movies and a TV series.

[–] burgermeister@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 hours ago

The kids defeated the clown by fucking

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago

It would have been so easy to just not write that part. Or her character like that at all tbh