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[–] db2@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How do they get it on the phone

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Depends. Obviously when they say "secret spyware" that means it is, in fact, secret, and we don't know which spyware they're using, but as the article notes it could be Paragon Solutions.

They have a system called Graphite, but that primarily targets just instant messaging platforms. If the article is to be believed when it says it could activate your camera, that would signal to me it's more likely something from NSO Group, like their Pegasus spyware that can also access your camera, GPS coordinates, and more.

All of these are going to be reliant on zero-day exploits, essentially exploits that aren't known to anyone yet and are still unpatched. All exploits will be a little different, but when it comes to mobile spyware, we usually see them delivered either through texts, websites, or email.

Those attacks can either be someone just receiving the text (even if they don't click on it, AKA a "zero click" attack), or maybe having to actually go to a particular website with the exploit baked in, or running an attachment from an email.

[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Joke's on them, my phone runs GNU/Linux and has hardware kill switches for the mic/camera and for the cellular baseband which I use while at home, instead using Wi-Fi calling

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

2 phones today ship today with that, the Purism Librem 5 and the PinePhone Pro.

In addition to an expected eventual 5G re-release of these models, the Liberux Nexx, and I suppose there will be a Brax 4 with it, given that their open slate tablet has them first.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd assume the Pinephone (Pro).

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Or purism... if they still exist or ever shippef a phone. Havent followed them in a while

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The "my case has a thing on it that covers the camera" phone? Idk about the mic tho

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I dunno, in the states they have the 'secret service' but I can definitely see them. Something tells me 'secret' things aren't so secret...

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Idk if there are laws around this in Canada, but mobile carriers can apparently install shit that you can't fully uninstall, as soon as you put their SIM in there. I discovered that when my carrier installed their "app center" bs on my non-carrier locked phone.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 39 points 1 month ago

Graphene OS for the win

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good luck making that stand up in court. They may as well be handing out "get-out-of-jail-free" cards.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't use it as admissible evidence, they use it to find out whether someone is worth pursuing in legitimate ways that are more time and effort intensive.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That type of investigation would still require a warrant or exigent circumstances at the minimum. Otherwise it's just fishing...which is a violation of Canada's privacy laws. They can't just go rooting through someone's phone looking for a reason to pursue further investigation.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The article itself mentions how it is a loophole in the privacy laws

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Aah. I missed this part on my first reading...

Once a judge approves surveillance, police have carte blanche on methods.

This would be used on suspects that they have a warrant to investigate.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Buying what? Like you don't believe the police can, will, or has done this?

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The spyware. They're gonna boycott it

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How could they load software on the phone? They could use stingray systems possibly or any man in the middle but what if your network traffic is behind a vpn, what if your device is secured. I doubt they can simply CONTROL your device and how it operates from a distance reliably and en mass.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Zero day backdoors without any interaction from the user are proven possible. Look at Pegasus spyware. The majority of data breaches are due to zero day hacks.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Police does not randomly use zero days. That wound be a massive waste.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Waste of what

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

But will they use this on Doug Ford's burners?

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you turn your phone off when being pulled over would it make any difference or does the spyware still do its thing?

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

More than likely yes. It disables biometrics and forces the use of a passcode if you have one enabled.

On Apple devices and Android devices go into lockdown mode when they are restarted.

Both of them will when left idle for a select period of time it will reboot. This is called Inactivity reboot. This basically forces the phone into lockdown mode.

These are new features that have been implemented on Apple and Android respectively fairly recently.

Apple phones also have the ability to wipe themselves away when left off for too long. You can do this with some versions of android but for the most part the one I know of is Graphene OS.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago

They shall name the tech Harbinger

ASSUMING CONTROL

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

They need access to your phone to sideload their spyware?

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

So there are two ways they can get this so called spyware on your phone. Zero click exploit in some app or through the os itself or the carrier uploads it through the network.

The latter is probably not going to happen... But the former... Is kinda illegal and would expose multiple corporations in malfeasance.

Seems like a puff piece. I call bullshit.