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[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Let them cook we need more competition

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its only a matter of time untill a gaming pc made out of Chinese architecture components is legally considered by the US to be a weapon of mass destruction.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 day ago

Give em a few years, and they'll have more powerful, cheaper GPUs than anything US manufacturers can make.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not much needs more than a 4060

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Can confirm. I'm still rocking a 1070 Ti on a 1440 monitor and it more than meets my needs, granted I'm playing somewhat older AAA games. Looks like a 4060 is even better.

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nvidia’s middle finger to China is the reason they’ve developed open weight models like Qwen 3.6 27B that have modest compute requirements with performance catching up to frontier models. They have plenty of motivation to give Nvidia the middle finger right back, and I fully anticipate that a couple years from now, we will see Chinese open models on par with frontier models while also having inexpensive Chinese hardware to run them.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.radio 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Already cursor model is already built on top of kimi Chinese model. This recently leaked, oupsies

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, hadn’t heard that, and I see there’s a TechCrunch article about it: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/22/cursor-admits-its-new-coding-model-was-built-on-top-of-moonshot-ais-kimi/

Only 1/4th of the training was from Kimi, though, even though the model id evidently says it’s Kimi. 🙄

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

As the article itself points out, drivers remain as the main issue for Chinese graphics cards. Though they seem to have made great improvements compared to 2 years ago. I'm quite excited to see how they work on it further in the next few years.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Without depending on many externalities.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What? A baby GPU didn't do as well as an experienced professional with decades of experience?? I am in shock -_-

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm surprised they can't just smuggle the chip designs and factory designs from Taiwan, they're so close

Not sure it's required. Patent documents are public.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've been gaming on an old AM4 motherboard, a B450 that was low spec when I bought it, it's been over five years now. I've been running a 4070ti on it for three years and I'd love to upgrade it but I'm not excited about Nvidia right now and there isn't a company on the planet that seems to want to offer me an alternative. At least China is flooding us with cheaper RAM.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you ever upgrade the CPU?

I am also still on AM4, started with a Ryzen 2700 (non-X) and then bought a 5800X later. I also upgraded from a RX 580 to RX 6800 four years ago. No real reason to change anything since. I'm really happy with the longevity.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah I started with a 1700x then a 2700x then a 5800x. I also used to have an RTX 3060ti. My daughter is currently running the 2700x with the 3060ti. I try to upgrade periodically and pass my most recent hardware to my kids. I would upgrade again soon if prices were good but they are not good.

[–] mursejoy@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I moved to a 9070XT from a 3070 and love it. I am a Linux gamer convert after falling in love with Steam OS. Nvidia on Linux is too much of a hassle imo. Plus my 9070XT on Linux smokes my 3070 on windows.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For a Linux user AMD is definitely better but it’s morally no different than NVIDIA. Lisa Su is all-in on AI and the Trump admin. Which is what I'm assuming they meant by saying nobody wants to sell them a new GPU.

[–] mursejoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I do not buy products based on company morals. There is almost no publicly traded company that won’t sell the consumer out in a heartbeat.

If I bought components based on company good/bad I wouldn’t even be able to build a computer.

NVIDIA - Bad, Ai bubble, oligarchy AMD - Just as bad, Nvidia coat tail rider, oligarchy Intel - Bad, poor consumer practices for years Any company making RAM- bad, participates in price fixing and only get a slap on the wrist.

The only company on this planet I will blindly buy from is Costco. The CEO said “if you change the price of the $1.50 hotdog combo I’ll fucking kill you” - good

Otherwise I just buy what I need from where I can get it and move on with my life. Even avoiding Amazon is dumb since they make most of their money from AWS which means you’d have to boycott most of the internet.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 hours ago

I do not buy products based on company morals.

You don't, but the comment you replied to said:

but I’m not excited about Nvidia right now and there isn’t a company on the planet that seems to want to offer me an alternative

Which is pretty clearly about the moral implications of choosing a Nvidia card vs the lack of any real alternatives (and AMD itself being no better than Nvidia).

If you have no moral qualms about it, there's near zero reason to go AMD or Intel anyway. Nvidia drivers start working fine on Linux once you use a mainstream distro and avoid the KDE+Wayland combo. Performance tends to be better for the same money and you get CUDA.

[–] terry_jerry@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Morally no different than NVIDIA. Lisa Su is all-in on AI and the Trump admin.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago

Didn‘t expect anything less (or more) to be honest. Not at the moment. 5 years from now, though? It‘s entirely possible most new PC hardware will be made by Chinese brands that we have never heard of.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At least someone tries to compete. I'd get a slower Chinese any day over the fucking greedy nvidias. Spent 2500 for my last GPU. In 1990 I bought 2 high end computers for that. And some groceries. And go to the movies....

I'm so fed with all this. China will be the long-term winner in nearly everything.

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

$2,500 in 1990 is worth $6,369.93 today

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Considering a PC in the 90s was not the total mainstream-thing it is today, Also i pulled that outta my ass, Don't actually remember that old prices. BUT my first 3DFX, top of the line was like 500€. "Incredibly expensive" back then. Today you'd get some shitty entry-model for kids for 500€.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That's not entirely true. You can't squirrel away 1990's $2500 and have it worth $6300 today. The more accurate statement would be that because of inflation (and also greedflation), what you once purchased with $2500, now takes $6300. This decrease in purchasing power, most recently, was brought almost entirely by price collusion, corporate greed, and a lack of regulation enforcement.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 105 points 3 days ago (8 children)

And "flops" is the headline?? That they got this level of performance so quickly should have been. Wait a couple of years and let's see where are they at then. Holy cow that's really fast progress, i can see them beating Intel gpus pretty soon

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago

Yes but they gotta get the people hating them early before they take off in a couple years or else who the hell would still buy Intel after whatever they push out in a few years that's probably gonna be orders of magnitude cheaper.

I suspect they will make them illegal eventually like the electric vehicles China makes.

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[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 136 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Good progress nonetheless. Can't wait for China to flood the fuck out of the nVidia/AMD/Intel GPU oligopoly. It may take a decade but it will happen for sure.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We could all use some supply and competition.

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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (6 children)

They will improve and quickly.

Now that intel is likely out of the race, they are out last hope

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it takes time to develop a tech like that.

as an example, China decided to invest in animation after Kung Fu Panda. slow process with a lot of internal movies, and a couple years ago they released the most successful animated movie in history.

Let them cook

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The tech media is showing who their sponsors are with this shit. “Oh the new guy isn’t number one right away? Better give up!” Fuck right off.

You know what? I’m going out and buying another Intel GPU out of spite.

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[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Toms hardware would likely have said the same thing about early EV cars from China about 5 years ago

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago

If they get out some solid linux drivers, I'd buy one. Same thing for me when it comes to anything risc-v. I'm buying out of interest in a new alternative

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Apparently it does get fairly similar performance in benchmarks, just not it games, which could indicate that the hardware is there and it's just the drivers that are lacking.

Which often is the case with Chinese electronics - often brilliant hardware with absolutely terrible software haphazardly slapped on, and support dropped before the thing even shipped.

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[–] M33@piefed.world 28 points 3 days ago

Wait for the next couple generations… 🤔

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