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[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 144 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A year or 2 ago, some assholes were shooting substation in the hopes of causing major damage. Im sure data centers got a smaller version of this

Those 5 green blocks are radiators. One of those assholes shot and damage a few of the radiators at a critical substation. It caused power loss to about 7k people including schools and a hospital. The news story said they had to truck in temp substations until they got the new parts to repair. ETA was 6 months to a year.

Sorry, kinda went on a tangent. Good luck with your AI recipe that uses 5 gallons of salt or whatever.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm going to take this opportunity to rant about a Ukranian tactic of drone plus thermite bucket.

You can get fine aluminum and iron oxide powder online easily. A sparkler sets it off or even a superheated wire.

The Ukrainians have been having great success at using thermite to forcibly evict Russians from their trenches, and sometimes, from their mortal coils as well.

[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Probably a bad idea to buy it online.

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[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Funny those guys seem to have returned to their hedge now that Trump is back in power.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They are to busy with their new ICE jobs to entertain such notions any longer.

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 81 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah ... I'm really not sure how you're supposed to destroy a data center with a single bucket of salt.

But I'm willing to learn.

[–] rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

first you have to put it in the orbit

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Then propel it to near light speed and have it impact the data center?

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Take it easy, bro. We're just trying to destroy a datacenter, not wipe out the entire western hemisphere.

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[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Salt bad for water cooling components? Idk

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[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds like dealing with despots by waiting for them to die of old age.

[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Isn't that what we're doing with Trump?

[–] cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think OP has a $20 bucket of salt and is farming ideas for how to use it to destroy his local datacenter.

[–] Tolos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Can't farm much else with a bucket of salt.

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[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The trick is replacing the salt in the bucket with plastic explosive.

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

$20 bucket of salt? That's way too much for salt. Who's your salt guy?

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[–] Kirk@startrek.website 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd think the data center would win

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For compute? Yes.

For delicious seasoning? Probably not.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 12 points 1 week ago

That sounds correct to me but I don't have have enough evidence at present to say for certain

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is just like the Romans.

Salting the earth so that data centers cannot grow.

Good thinking.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago (15 children)

My views of eco terrorism are mostly from reading Zodiac : an ecothriller. The protagonist uses quick acting cement to plug polluting sewage pipes and back up the toxic waste into the polluting facilities.

This could be done in the opposite direction as well. Plug the incoming water pipe to starve the beast pulling hundreds of thousand of liters of water.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Holy shit do NOT DO THIS.

You're assuming the failure point is going to be inside of the facility but it's WAY more likely to be an underground pipe that will speed that that sewage directly into the earth.

This is way worse because it might not be obvious that it's happening for a looong time.

Seriously, find some other way to ecoterrorize. This one is not worth it.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Neal Stephenson. good stuff, before he kinda went... corpo with Termination Shock.

I wonder if he's concluded 'if anyone is gonna stop the cycle it'll have to be a disruptor who just seeds atmospheric blockers', because I wasn't impressed with that book.

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are datacenters like slugs or buckets of salt in any way like computers or what am I missing here

[–] Mpeach45@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Data centers are like slugs in that the heads of them are slimy voracious consumers of every resource around them without regard to the harm they do.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Im confused, what will salt do. My brain basically autocorrected it to suger cause you can put it in concrete and it will ruin it but what does salt do?

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the idea is to put salt in their cooling water intake and hope it corrodes something important?

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ah okay but at that point you could do something more destructive. Strange meme

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

During WW2, guards in the New York City subway system had a standing order to shoot on site anyone who came down a certain elevator holding a bucket of sand.

The subway is powered by DC rather than AC electricity. Today solid-state converters are used. But back then, the only option was direct mechanical conversion. Literally a giant AC motor connected to a DC generator. An AC motor was powered by the grid, and its drive shaft was joined to the shaft of a DC generator, which energized the lines of the subway.

But it represented a single point of failure. This one crucial machine was powering the whole subway system. And all it would take is one person throwing a single bucket of sand into the contraption to cause the whole NYC subway system to grind to a halt. Oh, and NYC was the primary port city for American troops and supplies going back and forth to Europe.

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don’t think it’d even work. I wouldn’t be surprised if their cooling water is distilled in the process, so the salt would just get filtered out.

On boats we literally use sea water to cool things and distill it on the ship. Data centers can surely do the same thing

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You underestimate how much billionaires cut costs. Water distillation? That could be 1 more gpu.

There are some exploding rockets that can show you examples.

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[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

If the point is to put the salt in the water to corrode its cooling systems, you need way more than $20 bucket of salt. Far more water is used

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

I imagine pouring salt in the water tanks for their cooling systems. It'll make a giant expensive mess and potentially could shut down the datacenter for a while for repairs

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just set off an old school roadway safety flare inside of one.

Decent chance that'll set off the fire suppression system, which will functionally ruin the datacenter, at least temporarily.

$23 bucks for 6 of em at Walmart.

Also substantially lighter and easier to handle than a bucket of salt.

Uh for legal purposes this is a joke, dark comedy.

Get it?

Because... a flare... is actually... really bright?

Hahaha!

[–] Mpatch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

50/50 it's a data center fire suppression. Doubt they use water. Probably co2 or some other inert gas

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah...you don't want to be in the data center when the fire suppression systems go off. That's exactly it...they starve the fire by displacing oxygen.

Most datacenters have strict no-cardboard-in-cage rules for this reason.

And one of the points of a data center is for multiple people to pool shared costs. One of those big costs is physical security, which is where most of a datacenters payroll goes. So good luck getting a road flare anywhere near the servers.

But if you do get in, just hit the EPO switch. Problem solved.

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[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you live somewhere with a winter season, might I suggest getting your salt from one of these? They are often unguarded and contain a TON of salt.

Jk I don't think salt will work well.

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Carthage moment

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why you're bendin' the wrong element there, son! I say- I say boy, you're lookin' like a monk in a zen garden pushing' all those particulates around! What you need is a fine, fierce fire! Have them CEO and AI tech types screamin' like you done pinched their momma!

[–] SuperPengato@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You sound like that cartoon rooster.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Darn right, boy. 🐔 The Foghorn Leg, I say, Foghorn Leghorn. 😂

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Sugar keeps diesel engines from working and keep concrete from setting

[–] Oneshot@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The data center??

[–] Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 10 points 1 week ago

Uhh, you might cause some damage with the salt, but you will need like literal tons of salts for it to destroy and data center

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