Make it illegal to include touch screens, tracking, no buttons and no handles. Then I'll consider getting a loan for one π€·ββοΈ
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Only inbreds hate EVs.
Normal people simply hate tesla.
Unless the (public) charging infrastructure gets expanded massively, EVs won't become a valid alternative to most people. Not everyone owns a house where you can just slap your own wallbox onto it.
I owned an EV for 3 years while living in an apartment without charging possibilities. It's really not that big of a deal (in Munich at least).
You know what horse can do that no car, electric or not, can do?
You can get on a horse, or horse-drawn carriage, completely wasted drunk out of your mind, or high, or just too tired to drive. Tell horse "home" and he will go to the stable he came from, dragging you with it all the way.
Horses consume no gasoline, no diesel, they just eat literal grass and drink tap water. And their shit is often packaged and sold as fertilizer.
How the fuck in the times of high energy prices, both gas and electricity, people are not just turning back to horses is beyond me. Horses are economically viable and sound, just grab the horses from working type, not sport type. Smarter than AI, calmer than Trump (and more reasonable), grass-to-fertilizer converter, biological motorbike.
horse
horses can poop alot randomly.
Bring back the days of perpetual stank!
Like our cities, full of cars and trash, do not stink already.
Haven't spent much time around large animals huh. You should try shoveling some shit.
Horses are economically viable and sound
Ours sure is causing way more in vet bills than our car's lease, insurance and gas combined, while also unable to carry either of us anywhere. She'd also not go home, but to the next patch of greenery, whether or not she can eat it...
No, they aren't. It's more like trading a donkey for a horse.
They are, in every area except infrastructure, range, and (in the US) affordable variety.
We now have 2 cars that use electricity to a varying degree (hybrid/phev) and itβs awesome. The fuel savings is immediate and obvious.
They say this whilst trying their best to make EVs the printers of the car industry. Update? The car stops and bricks itself for the duration of it. Want basic features? You have to pay a monthly subscription for the car you already payed for. Need it repaired? Have to bring it to a dealership with criminal prices because every part is serialized and they have you by the balls. Need a new battery after it kicks the bucket in 4-5 years? Expect to pay $10-20k for a new one. Oh and of course the center terminal/tablet is now crucial for the cars function, so anytime that malfunction it bricks itself again. Oh and it will always track and spy on you with GPS and onboard cameras and microphones.
Sorry, but what about that is specific to EVs? Nothing you mention is specific to EVs, but applies to all new cars. Except for your unwarranted fearmongering about the battery. Basically every car manufacturer offers a 8 year warranty on the battery, so you can assume that they last longer than that.
I don't have any of that with my EV, certainly no subscription stuff, nor overcharging for service, because a service is significantly easier
Not to any degree different from in ICE vehicle
You're just spouting shit
I agree but realistically the only electric car you're getting without any of that is a Lunar Rover.
Horses are better than cars ! A horse is a vehicle and a pet at the same time !!
And other things too, depending on jurisdiction!
Hey, when a horse goes lame?
Remember when VW had hundreds of slaves in Brazil until like a year after I was born? That was pretty wild.
For those of you who are not as intimately familiar with potoooooooo's birthdate as I am: they had slaves until 1986
For those who want to know the bare minimum https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/volkswagens-brazil-unit-ordered-pay-30-million-decades-old-slave-labor-case-2025-08-29/
People aren't going to realize EV's are better until the can actually afford one.
Also, maybe one day America will get their heads out of their ass and realize that public transportation is better EV's.
its the greedy domestic overpriced ev companies that are lobbying to block foreign ev competition.
You can get an EV for about 5k nowadays.
Agree on the public transportation, tho.
I can understand people sticking with horses more than I can understand sticking with ICE cars. A horse is an animal with a personality, you might feel like it's like losing a friend.
But why do people have so much sentimentality over having cars that have tailpipes?
I'm extremely attached to my motorbike
It's different to a car, because a bike becomes an extension of your body, you have to be in harmony with the machine
Cars are just cars
I could swap my ice car for electric and I'd be fine and it wouldn't bother me, but motorcycle engines actually do have personalities based on engine layout, cooling system, fueling methods (efi vs. carbs), transms etc, that I could never give up bikes for electric alternatives (also electric motorcycle makes literally zero sense if electric bicycle exists)
I have an electric bike for short trips but do enjoy driving my 6 speed car, and it's 12 years old, paid off for 7 of those years. I cannot imagine it's better to get another car and get rid of mine.
Can't imagine I am unusual. It's just a really big fleet and will take time to change.
And yeah this is probably my last but I will miss the vroom vroom and shifting the car myself.