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This was in California. My American history teacher was a confederate defender. Marked it partial credit to say the Civil War was fought over slavery. Full credit for the answer "states rights." Fully wrong when I said "states rights for its citizens to own people like property." His ignorance was astounding even to my 17 year old self. When I recognized the joke I was dealing with, I treated the class like a joke.
Mr. Angle, I remember you and your bullshit.
I mean bros last name was Angle. He was destined for failure
Explain Kurt Angle then!
He bent the other direction.
Lookie here, it's just the way the cookie tear
Prepare to be hurt and mangled, like Kurt Angle: rookie year
I guess his perspective on history was at a wrong "Angle" haha
did the news write it as "angel"? or is that a british thing
Probably a tiny town thing when that happens,wiith some dude that looked like Bond owning the grocery store. Hah like anyone that could play Bond just owning a store in a small town staffed with the Mountain, just having a laugh now. Next thing I'll hear is the angel dude is Scotty....did look like a lovely town mind you. I could go for a Cornetto. Think it was pretty similar to what my dad used to buy me as a treat growing up in Canada many many moons ago now.
Morning Angle
All the conservative ones go to teach in the south.
Source: grew up being taught history in the south, including that the civil war wasn’t over slavery.
Ahh, so they didn't study history
OP already said they were conservative
With cuts to funding and training, few teachers in the south actually studied the subjects they teach. Or education for that matter.
My source is that I pulled it out of my ass based on shit I read online, though.
My AP chemistry teacher (in suburban Atlanta) had a doctorate... in divinity or some shit like that, not chemistry. Pretty sure she still got the extra salary they gave to teachers with Ph.D's, though.
She wasn't actually bad at the subject matter, though, but her "classroom manner" wasn't the best. My most vivid memory of her was her yelling "whaddya, stupid?!" in a thick Boston (or NYC?) accent at a student who answered a question particularly egregiously wrong.
I recall a junior high school science teacher in suburban Houston telling us that if you sneeze three times and nobody blesses you, the devil takes your soul. I guess it could have been tongue-in-cheek; it's been a long time. But, having never heard it before, it always struck me as a strange thing for a science teacher to say.
Yes, it sounds correct to me.
I'll say "Bless you" twice. After that, you can fucking go to hell.
I’m in the south. My history teachers were actually track coaches, football coaches, gym teachers. One of my literature teachers was a wrestling coach.
In the south, teachers have second jobs as teachers.
The civil war was about who was supposed to govern the area. It was very slow burning, but the snapphanar was more like a militia than ordinary bandits. Now they probably would be classified as terrorists. Ive never heard anyone say it was about slavery, afaik there where no conflict between the south, the swedes nor the danes about slavery.
Or did you mean another civil war?
C'mon, don't be obtuse. You know full well that they're referring to The Third Servile War of the Roman Republic, 73-71 BCE, led by Spartacus.
Ooo that was my favorite
Congrats on managing to figure it out by the end 👍
Yup. (Formerly) Southern professor. Some of them infect the college level with their bullshit.
can confirm. i graduated in the late aughts and was taught (by my ap us history teacher no less) that the civil war was absolutely not about slavery. He did the whole ‘it was about state’s rights!!’ thing.
the civil war wasn’t over ~~slavery.~~
They were kind of right.
I grew up in Texas and was taught the American Civil War was over slavery, and my husband grew up in Iowa and was taught that war was over state's rights. This was thirty years ago, but at least then the narrative split didn't have any neat north/south distribution.
I audited a history class just for fun because I love it so much. What an awesome instructor. We were studying the American colonies, reading American Colonies: The Settling of North America. The professor had been a freedom fighter in Nicaragua. He talked about the looming threat of the USA in Latin America. I loved him. I imagine half of other students didn't care, but I was so happy.
Honestly very much not my experience unfortunately. It's amazing how many "dudes into hisstory" are swept in by most stories generals and dictators told people about themselves.
Like yeah was the Slaver general really a "good Christian man", no he was an asshole, who nearly died shitting in the woods like the rest of the world.
So many people romantisize the Roman empire but in reality that was after it really went to shit for most people. ( Which is really hyped by "great man history" problem in which people latch onto specific names and figures instead of actually considering that in reality it was the choices of millions and the circumstances they found themselves in that mattered WAY more then what one dude said to his friends, senator/etc or not)
No the Americas wasn't a "virgin" new land ripe for the takening. Totally undeveloped or unexplored. The forests weren't just bustling full of game and food suspiciously safe for people to eat for no reason.
John Brown reaction to slavery is actually pretty fucking reasonable. Both because it should make you sick to your stomach to see it but also the assholes who did it shot and killed some of his familey.
Etc, etc.
I prefer historical stories about regular people who have done heroic things. There are many stories like that, especially in WWII. The Zookeepers Wife was a good one, but there are the Yugoslav Partisans, who built and protected a secret allied airfield behind Nazi lines, so they could fly out hundreds of Nazi enemies, right under their noses. Or the only high level Nazi informant we had, except FDR was afraid to use his Intel because he didn't trust him, making the spy angrier and angrier that he was endangering his life for excellent Intel that they ignored. Those are the real heros, the ones who didn't have weapons, and risked their lives anyway, simply because they wanted to do the right thing.
So many people romantisize the Roman empire but in reality that was after it really went to shit for most people.
It's the same for Sparta. 95% of its people were slaves and 5% were buff warrior dudes. People then idolize the 5% buff warrior dudes because of that movie "300", and completely ignore that Sparta was a hellhole for most of the people that lived there.
Highly recommend David Graeber's analysis on this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5,000_Years
Grossly oversimplifying here but ssentially massive empires like Rome were based on gold currencies, their prominence was during what Graeber calls the "Axial Age". They coincided with massive suffering, but when they collapsed people went back to local debt-based systems of exchange. This was relatively much more humane. Then with the rise of colonialism we went back to gold, empires, and massive suffering again.
its like that because of the way that it is. neat!
Reality has a liberal bias.
There are plenty of right-wing or outright Nazis who are history teachers, Björn Höcke is just one of them.
*Bernd
The Bread?! D:
It's a very high stakes gamble in ex-USSR tho. If there is not enough niche schools of thought based on all shit that happened and then flipped backwards in a timeframe of just 20th century, with all kinds of opinions about these, you also have completely made up theories and conspiracy ideas, and states supporting some over others based on short-term vibes and their ongoing fluctuation. Your random teacher may be initially any kind of a normie or a niche nerd, but the nature of the subject, it's cooption by all previous and current regimes, it's connection to politics and military, and a lot of news of historians going crazy up to federal level makes it statistically unlikely you'd have someone without strong and explicit opinions about everything from the dawn of time up until now.